As someone with a hereditary genetically disease(Becker muscular dystrophy) , I hope for this development to go on.
I got a little brother who has it too so if this could become a reality that would be so amazing.
Not to mention that this could help us become much older and maybe even immortality(biological) because there are animals that have this I believe or at least become very very old.
The end of diseases like Aids and even cancer would be amazing on its own though.
Hopefully the optimistic view will come true.
Fixing genetic faults is a promising prospect, but the concept of designer babies is horrifying.
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Designer babies shouldn't happen but fixing diseases and stuff yeah obviously.
There's a fine line, the concept of actual designer children I find horrifying.
[QUOTE=Zelpa;50859830]imagine what furries will turn their children into :disgust:[/QUOTE]
Something like that would never end up being legal.
[QUOTE=RaptorJGW;50859839]Something like that would never end up being legal.[/QUOTE]
black market genetic modification, i'm calling it now.
what if your kid goes out of fashion?
you just get a new one?
[QUOTE=Zelpa;50859840]black market genetic modification, i'm calling it now.[/QUOTE]
If you turned your child into a real life furry and you returned back to your country (in case you had to leave it to reach the black market), people could report it and you would still end up in jail.
I'm pretty sure once genetic engineering is a thing it will become a human right that your parents can't turn you into a freak on purpose.
Tell me you're not at least a tiny interested in either a tail or cat ears. We had a tail once! Maybe!
[QUOTE=RaptorJGW;50859865]If you turned your child into a real life furry and you returned back to your country (in case you had to leave it to reach the black market), people could report it and you would still end up in jail.
I'm pretty sure once genetic engineering is a thing it will become a human right that your parents can't turn you into a freak on purpose.[/QUOTE]
But what are they going to do to the kid? euthanise them? Also it does seem pretty arbitrary where we place the line for what makes a person better. Tails would help us grip onto stuff, is that really different from giving us stronger muscles? It's a slippery slope, man.
I think best we can do with human genome alteration is selectively edit out identified genetic diseases. Enhancing body features is just something I can't imagine achieving without huge trial and error effort. When you have shit like hormones and proteins that control cell processes in tens per compound, you just can't introduce something new without fucking everything up most of the time.
Currently, our best bet would be selectively breeding humans for those enhanced features but that instantly creates problems like certain superiority or predetermined purpose for being.
[QUOTE=Zelpa;50859874]But what are they going to do to the kid? euthanise them? Also it does seem pretty arbitrary where we place the line for what makes a person better. Tails would help us grip onto stuff, is that really different from giving us stronger muscles? It's a slippery slope, man.[/QUOTE]
No, but they can sure as hell punish the parents. I'm not quite certain that it's as slippery a slope as you make it out to be but there are definitely legal and ethical challenges that come hand in hand with genetic modification. However, I do think that the net benefit of augmenting humanity, whether it be via Deus Ex-style mechanical and technological modifications, or genetic modification, would be so positive that we would be making a mistake (as the video says) to simply ban it or restrict it too heavily. We have to own it and make sure that it progresses in a controlled fashion, taking one step at a time. If humanity can manage that, then it could be one of the greatest assets to our entire species. Whether or not we can manage that though is another argument entirely, however. There will obviously be missteps and abuse, but that is simply the risk that comes with any technology, past, existing, or otherwise.
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[QUOTE=aurum481;50859888]I think best we can do with human genome alteration is selectively edit out identified genetic diseases. Enhancing body features is just something I can't imagine achieving without huge trial and error effort. When you have shit like hormones and proteins that control cell processes in tens per compound, you just can't introduce something new without fucking everything up most of the time.
Currently, our best bet would be selectively breeding humans for those enhanced features but that instantly creates problems like certain superiority or predetermined purpose for being.[/QUOTE]
Body features is quite simple. We have a good grasp of the markers for traits such as hair color, eye color, skin tone, etc. It's just a matter of research and testing (not on humans, of course). Even things such as muscular structure and bone structure are well understood enough that they wouldn't be impossible to alter. Things like intelligence and personality traits are a little fuzzier, but could be possible with advances to the technology and increased genetics research.
It's mostly not an issue of 'if its possible' as it is 'should we do it'.
Every one of their videos fills me with a sad sense of longing, god damn.
[QUOTE=Zelpa;50859794]I'm hyped for the future boys[/QUOTE]
"future, boys" or "future boys"?
"I'm hyped for the future, guys"
[QUOTE=Zelpa;50859874]But what are they going to do to the kid? euthanise them? Also it does seem pretty arbitrary where we place the line for what makes a person better. Tails would help us grip onto stuff, is that really different from giving us stronger muscles? It's a slippery slope, man.[/QUOTE]
It's not the kids fault, so no the kid won't be euthanized.
And it's not arbitrary. The world isn't black and white, but in shades of grey. It's simply like that for most human problems. A committee of experts will set the lines.
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[QUOTE]Tails would help us grip onto stuff, is that really different from giving us stronger muscles?[/QUOTE]
Yes, because in the last scenario we are simply enhancing something that we already possess, in your first scenario we are adding something completely new.
Also, a tail to "grip onto stuff" would be completely useless. We already have arms for that.
Rich spoiled shits are insufferable now as it is, imagine how much worse it will be when they have a document that proves that they actually are better than you in every way.
[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;50859987]Rich spoiled shits are insufferable now as it is, imagine how much worse it will be when they have a document that proves that they actually are better than you in every way.[/QUOTE]
And then it turns out to be more superior they have to modify genes that won't make them smug little shits.
FoxDie when?
I'm not really sure what to feel of genetic engineering. I'd say I'm supportive of it, but the idea behind designer babies horrifies me. Even if the entire gene pool and every single human would have a perfect body with the perfect genes, it's still something I'm not sure what to feel of. Contrasts are going to disappear. I imagine it'd be very easy to take stuff for granted and further just reinforce our lazy lifestyles. What would the point be in going to the gym when everyones ripped anyway because of our genes? What's the point of eating healthy when our bodies are engineered into having burgers just as healthy? Why go to school when our concentration and memory is so good that we only need to read about a topic once and it sticks?
Designer babies in general, if taken far enough, sounds like a thing that'll completely remove any sense of achievement or progression.
[QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;50860100]i'm not a furry but i'd [I]totally[/I] get a prehensile tail if i could. it would probably be gross though. imagine a non-furry monkey tail. now imagine a human with a hairy (human hair) monkey tail. ew[/QUOTE]
We are Saiyans now.
[QUOTE=PredGD;50860072]I'm not really sure what to feel of genetic engineering. I'd say I'm supportive of it, but the idea behind designer babies horrifies me. Even if the entire gene pool and every single human would have a perfect body with the perfect genes, it's still something I'm not sure what to feel of. Contrasts are going to disappear. I imagine it'd be very easy to take stuff for granted and further just reinforce our lazy lifestyles. What would the point be in going to the gym when everyones ripped anyway because of our genes? What's the point of eating healthy when our bodies are engineered into having burgers just as healthy? Why go to school when our concentration and memory is so good that we only need to read about a topic once and it sticks?
Designer babies in general, if taken far enough, sounds like a thing that'll completely remove any sense of achievement or progression.[/QUOTE]
Genetics are far from the only factor in those things. Metabolism, fitness, intelligence, all of those depend heavily on proper maintenance to function. Genetics only puts limitations on it and control the rate at which it can evolve. Engineering would only put people on an equal footing, people would still need to work hard at it to excel.
[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;50859868]Tell me you're not at least a tiny interested in either a tail or cat ears. We had a tail once! Maybe![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;50860100]i'm not a furry but i'd [I]totally[/I] get a prehensile tail if i could. it would probably be gross though. imagine a non-furry monkey tail. now imagine a human with a hairy (human hair) monkey tail. ew[/QUOTE]
IIRC, the code for human tails still exists in our genome and begins to grow in the first few weeks of pregnancy and then is reabsorbed into the body well before we're born. And it looks downright disgusting too, considering we already have little body hair, like worse than a rat's tail.
So unless some sort of hair growth gene is turned on or maxed out, a human tail would look :disgust:
It won't be that long before we can cure diseases relying on maybe point mutations, entire genes or whatever, but I think it's gonna be much longer before we can change our appearance in major ways. One thing is disease caused by a single gene (CFTR in Cystic Fibrosis for example), but I'm gonna say figuring out how different changes will affect gene expression is an order(s) of magnitude harder. I find it likely that the first modifications will be ragdoll-like - copying already existing gene combinations to achieve similar results, which is some ways off from creating something entirely new.
Either way, it's a very exciting subject, and I'm both anxious and a bit scared to see how the world turns out in, say, 50 years.
[QUOTE=PredGD;50860072]I'm not really sure what to feel of genetic engineering. I'd say I'm supportive of it, but the idea behind designer babies horrifies me. Even if the entire gene pool and every single human would have a perfect body with the perfect genes, it's still something I'm not sure what to feel of. Contrasts are going to disappear. I imagine it'd be very easy to take stuff for granted and further just reinforce our lazy lifestyles. What would the point be in going to the gym when everyones ripped anyway because of our genes? What's the point of eating healthy when our bodies are engineered into having burgers just as healthy? Why go to school when our concentration and memory is so good that we only need to read about a topic once and it sticks?
Designer babies in general, if taken far enough, sounds like a thing that'll completely remove any sense of achievement or progression.[/QUOTE]
The only reason lazy lifestyles are bad are because of the consequences of those things. If you remove the consequence of being lazy, what's the issue?
Now if only the wealthy are secured these elite babies, then we have a serious problem in which the top and upper class bloodlines will blatantly exclude the poorer, non-modified individuals from any job offerings on the basis that they are strictly worse. Hence the movie GATTACA.
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