• Jimquisition - The Poison of Pre-Order Culture
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[url]http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/9539-The-Poison-of-Pre-Order-Culture[/url]
What an interesting ending to the video, though... :v:
Just shortly after this video came out they announced pre-order bonuses for [B]ODDWORLD[/B] :suicide:
Eh the reason I do pre-orders is because I'm able to snag them at cheaper prices through key sites or VPNing into other regions. However, if I have to really pay full price, I'll wait until a day or two before the game comes out where it has probably leaked on 360/PS3 already and if the general first impressions are good (fuck review embargoes), I'll get it just to get my pre-order content.
i don't want to know what awards his impersonations have received
Pre-Orders: Giving money to a company on the promise of later getting something you were shown a carefully constructed, strategically placed and timed pre-release concept of. And these companies constantly break these promises. Why do people still do it. There's absolutely no need at all to do it unless you're a huge fan and want the stupid statue and can't wait for it to just appear on ebay 2 months later What else do you pre-order? Tickets to a concert maybe? Even that's different because you can at least sample what the concert's going to be like via .mp3's and videos of the actual fucking event from the past, and there's a finite number of them. You don't see Ford on TV saying Hey, We're producing a new car, here's the concept for it from 2 years ago and it'll look similar. Order now and we'll throw in the jack, spare wheel and windshield wipers. Otherwise you can buy those separately sometime after we officially start selling the car on [date]. We think the ride is smooth and reliable. This is subjective, however, but take our word for it, because you can't try it until after you pay for it.
Screw pre-order bonuses.
I preorder nintendo games, My local Gamstap usually doesn't get enough of them, so I have to preorder if I want a physical copy.
I wish that Pre-Order bonuses were at most like how Beenox did it with Spider-Man Shattered Dimensions, you get costumes from the get-go that you could just unlock otherwise by playing the game and completing a challenge, and nothing more.
[QUOTE=Man in the Moon;45392641]I preorder nintendo games, My local Gamstap usually doesn't get enough of them, so I have to preorder if I want a physical copy.[/QUOTE] preordering itself isnt bad what preordering has become is bad like DLC
Pre-order DLC isn't even inherently bad so long as its stuff like cosmetics.
I did like when preordering a game gave you a small discount on the game itself, instead of making you pay full price for crappy incentives like exclusive skins or likewise. The Witcher 3 offers a small discount for preordering, which stacks even more if you own their previous titles, combined for a 20% discount. Even then they aren't taking out parts of the game as a preorder incentive, they're giving you extra stuff like the soundtrack and a digital artbook. Completely cosmetic things that obviously wouldn't take away from the full experience.
[QUOTE=Adam9485;45393106]I did like when preordering a game gave you a small discount on the game itself, instead of making you pay full price for crappy incentives like exclusive skins or likewise. [/QUOTE] games still do this (very few though) and i think if there was a game i would preorder it would be those games
Let gamestop intervene in development for preorders? What? So anybody else almost never buy preorders? Projekt Red has earned my trust so I'm really tempted to get the Witcher 3 early.
[QUOTE=endorphinsam;45393162]games still do this (very few though) and i think if there was a game i would preorder it would be those games[/QUOTE] Witcher 3 did it nicely. You get a discount if you own previous Witcher games.
Bam, right on the money. He said exactly what I thought, that Nostromo content should've been part of the original game to begin with.
[QUOTE=Doritos-pope;45389517]Just shortly after this video came out they announced pre-order bonuses for [B]ODDWORLD[/B] :suicide:[/QUOTE] Pre-order now for explosive farts and the FUCK YOU emote!
[QUOTE=endorphinsam;45392835]preordering itself isnt bad what preordering has become is bad like DLC[/QUOTE] What? The whole reason pre-order dlc exists is because people keep pre-ordering shit. If pre-ordering itself isn't considered a problem then pre-order dlc shouldn't be considered a problem. Pre-ordering in general is pants on head retarded. Pre-ordering a game is giving a retailer $5 to let them know they should stock an extra game. That $5 amount is completely arbitrary and isn't required. It's paying a retailer to help them out. They don't do anything special to earn that $5. You're not secured a copy, they just have a value of how many to sell. You can walk up without a pre-order and just buy a game. I bought a copy of Halo 3 almost a week before street date with no pre-order.
[QUOTE=Super Muffin;45394221]What? The whole reason pre-order dlc exists is because people keep pre-ordering shit. If pre-ordering itself isn't considered a problem then pre-order dlc shouldn't be considered a problem. Pre-ordering in general is pants on head retarded. Pre-ordering a game is giving a retailer $5 to let them know they should stock an extra game. That $5 amount is completely arbitrary and isn't required. It's paying a retailer to help them out. They don't do anything special to earn that $5. You're not secured a copy, they just have a value of how many to sell. You can walk up without a pre-order and just buy a game. I bought a copy of Halo 3 almost a week before street date with no pre-order.[/QUOTE]Actually, at least with most retailers in the U.S. and especially ones like Gamestop, a preorder is a garuntee. Gamestop will not sell pre-order copies to those who haven't preordered until two days after launch. Also, the pre-order fee is deducted from the purchase price of the game, however much you put down on it, and cancelling gives you a refund of it.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;45394414]Actually, at least with most retailers in the U.S. and especially ones like Gamestop, a preorder is a garuntee. Gamestop will not sell pre-order copies to those who haven't preordered until two days after launch. Also, the pre-order fee is deducted from the purchase price of the game, however much you put down on it, and cancelling gives you a refund of it.[/QUOTE] Ah, man, two days. I guess the game is going to be sold out and gone forever if you don't pre-order it then. Pre-ordering, like many concepts the game industry hath wrought, has been used, abused, and run into the ground until it's not special or unique anymore, it's just part of the grey standard that is AAA gaming.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45393258]Let gamestop intervene in development for preorders? What? So anybody else almost never buy preorders? Projekt Red has earned my trust so I'm really tempted to get the Witcher 3 early.[/QUOTE] I only pre-order a game just before launch if there's a discount for pre-ordering. I pre-ordered Sniper Elite 3 because I knew I was going to buy it and it was 20% cheaper for a game I was going to buy day 1 anyway. I'm considering pre-ordering The Witcher 3 for that sweet 27% discount and €9 store credit.
as a former gamestop employee, I hated having to jump down peoples throats and do that fucking song and dance encouraging them to preorder shit. Gamestop really needs to get outta this industry, they're a real blight.
After Rome 2 being a disaster on launch I refuse to pre order another game ever again. If they take out huge sections of the game then I just flat out refuse to buy it until it comes down massively in price in a steam sale.
Creative Assembly has a bad reputation with game releases anyway. They make you wait for like 6-7 months before you can get an unbroken game. With so many broken releases from so many companies I really don't see why you'd preorder anything from a AAA-AA. Eu4 actually had a great preorder.
[QUOTE=Skyward;45392975]Pre-order DLC isn't even inherently bad so long as its stuff like cosmetics.[/QUOTE] That's the point, a valueless little gift for gambling that a game will be as good as you hoped. I've seen the shit storm around Watch_Dogs™, Aliens and Battlefield 4 to know that it's worth waiting a day or two and losing out of Aidan's 'iconic' hat dlc to find out if I'd actually bother even playing the game (and if I would whether the game would actually work).
[QUOTE=Rossy167;45396770]That's the point, a valueless little gift for gambling that a game will be as good as you hoped. I've seen the shit storm around Watch_Dogs™, Aliens and Battlefield 4 to know that it's worth waiting a day or two and losing out of Aidan's 'iconic' hat dlc to find out if I'd actually bother even playing the game (and if I would whether the game would actually work).[/QUOTE] Anyone who pre-orders on a gamble is an idiot and deserves to be scammed. Destiny for instance? I've played the game, I love it, I'm pre-ordering. But Watch-Dogs? They came out and [I]showed [/I]the game getting a massive graphical downgrade pre-release and people didn't cancel their pre-orders. Stupid. AC:M? Nobody got to play the game, they just assumed it'll be good. Stupid. [editline]15th July 2014[/editline] Too many people call death to pre-orders as an excuse for their own shitty spending habits.
[QUOTE=Skyward;45397197]Anyone who pre-orders on a gamble is an idiot and deserves to be scammed. Destiny for instance? I've played the game, I love it, I'm pre-ordering. But Watch-Dogs? They came out and [I]showed [/I]the game getting a massive graphical downgrade pre-release and people didn't cancel their pre-orders. Stupid. AC:M? Nobody got to play the game, they just assumed it'll be good. Stupid. [editline]15th July 2014[/editline] Too many people call death to pre-orders as an excuse for their own shitty spending habits.[/QUOTE] It was pretty obvious to me that Watch Dogs got a graphical downgrade, but I wasn't interested in the game for its graphics, I liked the basic concept and in general I enjoy open-world games, so I mostly just wanted it for that. Overall, I enjoyed it and frankly don't regret my purchase. I generally try to avoid paying too much attention to upcoming games until a month or so before release, since usually by that point there has been enough third-party media coverage to give a better idea of it outside just marketing trailers and showcases. I just mark the ones I want to look for, and keep an eye out for anything interesting I may not have paid attention to before. Better to avoid getting too hyped for a game that way. And from that I'll decide if I should pre-order or not. Hell, most of the time I won't do a preorder until a few days, a week at most before a game comes out.
That was a good impression of a video game publisher at the end.
[QUOTE=Skyward;45397197]Anyone who pre-orders on a gamble is an idiot and deserves to be scammed. Destiny for instance? I've played the game, I love it, I'm pre-ordering. But Watch-Dogs? They came out and [I]showed [/I]the game getting a massive graphical downgrade pre-release and people didn't cancel their pre-orders. Stupid. AC:M? Nobody got to play the game, they just assumed it'll be good. Stupid. [editline]15th July 2014[/editline] Too many people call death to pre-orders as an excuse for their own shitty spending habits.[/QUOTE] Yeah but when all these people are scammed on preorders companies see preorders as successful and of course begin the shitty preorder tactics Jim was talking about.
Which is why I said that it's not [I]inherently [/I]bad. There are bad ones, but to say that they're all bad? Nah.
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