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[quote]UPDATE, Dec 1: YouTube appears to have removed the “excluded_ads” tag, but without denying the conclusions of the report. This seems to indicate the censorship and suppression is real and YouTube would prefer to hide it.•[/quote]
I'm curious to see how much lower YouTube can go. I'm expecting within the next couple years we'll have to pay for channel packages and Youtube red just to watch approved videos.
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Am I missing something?
THE NUMBERS YOUTUBE, WHAT DO THEY MEAN?
Jokes aside, this is very interesting and wonder if youtube or anyone on google will explain anything.
So I've been building up and growing a Youtube channel for over a year now, and my channel has virtually stopped dead in its tracks since this whole thing happened. It was enjoying steady growth across the board, but the moment my videos started getting demonetized, I was getting less views and less subscriber growth. Seeing how demonetized videos seem to be permanently branded and hidden away from search results... Everything seems to make a lot of sense now.
I put time and dedication in growing my channel. I made it a point to upload 5 times a week. At the rate I was going, I was going to be one of the lucky SOBs who got to live off Youtube. It stinks to know that a year of work effectively got thrown in the trash because some stupid bot choked me out.
But hey, it was a good run!
I honestly wish pornhub would just make a not porn version of their site. It would be really good competition to them.
[QUOTE=Vilusia;52932557]I honestly wish pornhub would just make a not porn version of their site. It would be really good competition to them.[/QUOTE]
I think I might have mentioned this before in some thread but they really should try to trademark the "Hub" thing in some way or another and then just have VideoHub, LifeHub, FamilyHub and so on.
[QUOTE=Combine 177;52932560]I think I might have mentioned this before in some thread but they really should try to trademark the "Hub" thing in some way or another and then just have VideoHub, LifeHub, FamilyHub and so on.[/QUOTE]
Yeah and all the hubs would have videos relating to it and the main site can be called VideoHub which leads to all of them.
[QUOTE=Lunik;52932541]So I've been building up and growing a Youtube channel for over a year now, and my channel has virtually stopped dead in its tracks since this whole thing happened. It was enjoying steady growth across the board, but the moment my videos started getting demonetized, I was getting less views and less subscriber growth. Seeing how demonetized videos seem to be permanently branded and hidden away from search results... Everything seems to make a lot of sense now.
I put time and dedication in growing my channel. I made it a point to upload 5 times a week. At the rate I was going, I was going to be one of the lucky SOBs who got to live off Youtube. It stinks to know that a year of work effectively got thrown in the trash because some stupid bot choked me out.
But hey, it was a good run![/QUOTE]
I feel bad, I upload like once every two months but I've been getting a crazy amount of views and subscribers lately, despite doing basically nothing. Especially from "browse features", whatever that means.
Makes sense that Youtube would rather show you videos they make money off of, since it allegedly makes very little for Google for how much money is invested into it.
This seems legally sketchy, as in secretly giving separate treatment to someone based on race, sexual orientation, gender identity, or political alignment is potentially grounds for a lawsuit.
[QUOTE=Mobon1;52932575]Makes sense that Youtube would rather show you videos they make money off of, since it allegedly makes very little for Google for how much money is invested into it.[/QUOTE]
I feel like Google has always tried to handle thing with too much formula's and algorithms for such a human site...
Back around 2010-2012 days I always figured youtube was just on the brink of realizing it's potential to parallel television and start sapping the "TV" part of tv. Taking the talk shows and weird documentaries and sketch comedies, leaving the HBO type stuff for HBO and Netflix now that "good tv" has become "basically movies" there's a gap left and some people like me have entirely replaced that gap with youtube...
I figured we were going to see some sort of networking system built into youtube where artists could collaborate, speak to higher ups effectively, discuss analytics and how the platform worked, and that sort of thing. . I figured actual "shows" would start popping up on youtube. I was watching EpicMealTime back in the day use "get that youtube money" as a catch phrase and thinking, "this is going to be a decent profession soon" They're attempting that now with YT Red but like, im not even going to think about that because I haven't much liked what I've seen so far (talking about the platform, not the shows).
Youtube employs these people (youtubers) whether Google realizes it or not. Making your platform a sea of freelancers and giving nobody any job security seems like an obvious error from where I'm standing. Make it a sea of freelancers with a pond of freelancer's-turned-long-time-employee. You don't even have to look that hard to find who's worth working with or not because [I]it's youtube[/I]. Wanna see if Ethan from H3H3 would make a good show host? Watch all his videos!
But that would require paying a human being to do work for you, and this is Google.
[QUOTE=Vilusia;52932557]I honestly wish pornhub would just make a not porn version of their site. It would be really good competition to them.[/QUOTE]
But you realize how they make their money right? Those kinda sites a notorious for shoving a metric crap ton of advertising down your throat. Pop up ads, redirections, tons of animated and video adds, sound ads, etc. Even with ublock, some of these can get through. I'm not sure this kinda experience is going to rival YouTube, unfortunately. Not saying that it's not possible for them to make a site without all that, but then they would probably lose money.
Problem is, no one really wants to compete with YouTube. No one wants to deal with all the copy right crap, all the server space and processsing costs, all the bandwidth costs. Allowing people to freely upload and stream 4k videos. It sucks. But that's why you don't see 20 other video sites on the scale of youtube.
[QUOTE=MajorWX;52932599]This seems legally sketchy, as in secretly giving separate treatment to someone based on race, sexual orientation, gender identity, or political alignment is potentially grounds for a lawsuit.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the "sensitive social subjects" alone can be whatever the fuck. Depending on what actually is analyzed by Youtube's automatic algorithms, and how autonomous they really are, it can really go way, way into the "don't go here" zone. I'm not going to be the least bit surprised if in the following months Google will get royally fucked over due to and by their own creation.
It's not profitable to the all about controversy so youtubes algorithms seem focused on sanitizing the content. The worlds still fucked up though so the disconnect is super apparent
If the codes are accurate then apparently youtube also scans frames of the videos to see if there's text showing for example racial slurs or maybe foul language in general. Now I'm actually forced to censor my shitty videos just to get those 15 cents, urgh.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;52932519][t]https://i.imgur.com/drqeJLJ.png[/t]
Am I missing something?[/QUOTE]
IIRC, people have accused Phil of being a white supremacist in the past, so NC's probably poking fun at that.
And soon they will probably hide the numbers from the source
[QUOTE=Lazore;52932917]And soon they will probably hide the numbers from the source[/QUOTE]
Oh shit, I didn't even realize. This operation should've stayed underground longer!
y'know i think this guy has the best intro out of any youtuber his style of videos are just so pleasing to watch
All of this makes so much sense to me now. My one and only most popular video is one that I decided to monetize. The rest have barely even a fraction of the views because in general I want to stay away from monetizing my uploads. It seems like a massive cluster fuck. Burying content and keeping it at the low end of search and discovery is something I've seen first hand. My most popular video is a floppy drive cover of We Are Number One. However, someone else had done a floppy drive cover before I did and it's someone I had never even heard of. I only found out about his video because he commented on mine. His video didn't even show up in my own recommended feed which, when it comes to floppy drive videos, is jam packed with them when I'm watching a floppy drive music cover. His video? Nowhere to be found...unless you search for it deliberately.
This system is so broken. There needs to be a middle of the road option. It makes sense for recommended videos to have large views, comments, and likes. If it's related to the video you're currently watching it makes sense that a similar video would be recommended based solely on community reception. However...why not have half of the recommended videos be new uploads or "unseen" videos? Keep the high popularity ones at the top, but throw in some new ones below them so they have a chance to be seen.
Nerd City is growing and I'm happy about it. Dude's good.
I bet it'd be pretty interesting if he was on the H3 podcast, too.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;52933176]All of this makes so much sense to me now. My one and only most popular video is one that I decided to monetize. The rest have barely even a fraction of the views because in general I want to stay away from monetizing my uploads. It seems like a massive cluster fuck. Burying content and keeping it at the low end of search and discovery is something I've seen first hand. My most popular video is a floppy drive cover of We Are Number One. However, someone else had done a floppy drive cover before I did and it's someone I had never even heard of. I only found out about his video because he commented on mine. His video didn't even show up in my own recommended feed which, when it comes to floppy drive videos, is jam packed with them when I'm watching a floppy drive music cover. His video? Nowhere to be found...unless you search for it deliberately.
This system is so broken. There needs to be a middle of the road option. It makes sense for recommended videos to have large views, comments, and likes. If it's related to the video you're currently watching it makes sense that a similar video would be recommended based solely on community reception. However...why not have half of the recommended videos be new uploads or "unseen" videos? Keep the high popularity ones at the top, but throw in some new ones below them so they have a chance to be seen.[/QUOTE]
Yeah you're making a mistake if you want anyone to actually watch your content. Unmonetized videos are [I]much[/I] harder to find compared to monetized ones. Not just the ones that get demonetized. This actually puts you in a position where, say I wanted to make a video about depression and suicide and getting help. That would probably get demonetized in the first place, but suppose it wouldn't, I have a choice whether to monetize it or not monetize it. I might see it as tasteless to run ads on such a personal video. But on the other hand, if I [I]don't[/I] then it will factually reach far fewer people which means I'm not helping as many people as I could.
That's youtube for you.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;52933201]Yeah you're making a mistake if you want anyone to actually watch your content. Unmonetized videos are [I]much[/I] harder to find compared to monetized ones. Not just the ones that get demonetized. This actually puts you in a position where, say I wanted to make a video about depression and suicide and getting help. That would probably get demonetized in the first place, but suppose it wouldn't, I have a choice whether to monetize it or not monetize it. I might see it as tasteless to run ads on such a personal video. But on the other hand, if I [I]don't[/I] then it will factually reach far fewer people which means I'm not helping as many people as I could.
That's youtube for you.[/QUOTE]
that's not how it works, a non-monetized video isn't the same as a demonetized one
choosing not to monetize your video in the first place isn't going to bury your video
[QUOTE=Eric95;52933228]that's not how it works, a non-monetized video isn't the same as a demonetized one[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying they're the same, I'm saying a non-monetized video will get buried compared to a monetized one, in a similar way to the way demonetized ones are.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;52933244]I'm not saying they're the same, I'm saying a non-monetized video will get buried compared to a monetized one, in a similar way to the way demonetized ones are.[/QUOTE]
that's because YouTube wants you to watch videos with advertisements instead of videos without advertisements :v:
That was some great shit, his style is really engaging.
[QUOTE=BlackWolf97;52932617]Youtube employs these people (youtubers) whether Google realizes it or not. Making your platform a sea of freelancers and giving nobody any job security seems like an obvious error from where I'm standing. [B]Make it a sea of freelancers with a pond of freelancer's-turned-long-time-employee[/B]. You don't even have to look that hard to find who's worth working with or not because [I]it's youtube[/I]. Wanna see if Ethan from H3H3 would make a good show host? Watch all his videos!
[/QUOTE]
Youtube's late with the Red stuff. It's funny because Youtube absolutely could've employed/contracted all of those freelancers that are currently living through Patreon. Youtube instead double-triple-quadruple down on advertiser dosh. Over a period of five(?) years they made running a channel unprofitable so now they're just video hosts instead. I think anyone who is making Red content now didn't get their financial stability compromised at any point.
I think with deep learning we could figure out the unknown numbers while also generating freaky thumbnails.
tbh I can't wait until people figure out how to confuse the algorithm
that'll be a legit trip
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[QUOTE=Asaratha;52933321]my most popular videos are monetized ones, and my demonetized ones can literally halt in growth as mentioned earlier. it doesn't help that YouTube can't make up its mind. my most recent video has been monetized, demonetized, remonetized, demonetized, remonetized again, and just yesterday demonetized.[/QUOTE]
Is this what bipolar disorder looks like algorithmically Jesus Christ
This isn't joking about BD either, its like the bot genuinely has extreme highs and extreme lows
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