Parading himself like this just to improve his self worth on the internet.
Doesn't even look that healthy to be honest.
I've watched part of this on social media
but as soon as I got to "scientific studies have shown" I tuned out
I'm not an expert but as a somewhat medical related student listening to this guy regurgitate his facts is stupid and he clearly has no idea what he's talking about memorising words from a google search
While I agree that most people are obese because of their own decisions, there are ways to go about offering help without being a condescending fuckface.
dude doesn't recognize that overeating in obese people is generally a coping mechanism for depression and is a self repeating cycle, has very little to do with laziness
alcoholics and drug addicts aren't lazy, they've got issues. same deal with people who overeat.
they're all problems that need to be treated instead of just saying "fuck you control yourself"
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;48285430]dude doesn't recognize that overeating in obese people is generally a coping mechanism for depression and is a self repeating cycle, has very little to do with laziness
alcoholics and drug addicts aren't lazy, they've got issues. same deal with people who overeat.
they're all problems that need to be treated instead of just saying "fuck you control yourself"[/QUOTE]
While this is true for people who are suffering these issue's I'd really argue against the statement that "overeating in obese people is [B]generally[/B] a coping mechanism for depression"
it implies that the majority of people out there who are obese and overeat do so because of depression, which just isn't going to be true. The reality for the vast majority is likely laziness and/or bad habits, or just having other priorities in life.
I think fat shaming is stupid as fuck and I hate people who work out solely to brush up their own egos while getting off on self-labeling themselves as a "hard worker" but frankly a lot of obese people are obese because of lifestyle choices not because of an actual medical condition
[QUOTE=KorJax;48285479]While this is true for people who are suffering these issue's I'd really argue against the statement that "overeating in obese people is [B]generally[/B] a coping mechanism for depression"
it implies that the majority of people out there who are obese and overeat do so because of depression, which just isn't going to be true. The reality for the vast majority is likely laziness and/or bad habits, or just having other priorities in life.
I think fat shaming is stupid as fuck and I hate people who work out solely to brush up their own egos while getting off on self-labeling themselves as a "hard worker" but frankly a lot of obese people are obese because of lifestyle choices not because of an actual medical condition[/QUOTE]
if you're trying to broadly advise fat people in general though it's probably wise not to say anything that might make a portion of them overeat even more. i mean unless insults are consistently super effective with everyone else i don't think it's really worth the gamble
[QUOTE=Cone;48285620]if you're trying to broadly advise fat people in general though it's probably wise not to say anything that might make a portion of them overeat even more. i mean unless insults are consistently super effective with everyone else i don't think it's really worth the gamble[/QUOTE]
Insulting anyone for their lifestyle as long as it isn't harming anyone else is pretty stupid IMO
[QUOTE=Warborq;48285347]Parading himself like this just to improve his self worth on the internet.
Doesn't even look that healthy to be honest.[/QUOTE]
If he doesn't look healthy I have no idea what does then tbh
[QUOTE=KorJax;48285479]While this is true for people who are suffering these issue's I'd really argue against the statement that "overeating in obese people is [B]generally[/B] a coping mechanism for depression"
it implies that the majority of people out there who are obese and overeat do so because of depression, which just isn't going to be true. The reality for the vast majority is likely laziness and/or bad habits, or just having other priorities in life.[/quote]
sorry, i wasn't specifically referring to clinical depression. obesity is linked to perceptions of self-physical and mental health (and if disaggregated shows that these effects are more pronounced in women) - in many people overeating becomes a form of coping with feelings of inadequacy due to self perceived unhealthiness both physically and mentally, which then forms a cycle wherein people continue to make themselves unhealthier and unhealthier. this goes through multiple channels which vary depending upon the individual - could be through an anxiety disorder, clinical depression, or atypical or what's sometimes referred to as "situational" depression.
[quote]I think fat shaming is stupid as fuck and I hate people who work out solely to brush up their own egos while getting off on self-labeling themselves as a "hard worker" but frankly a lot of obese people are obese because of lifestyle choices not because of an actual medical condition[/QUOTE]
basically all i'm saying is that people like this dude completely ignore the most critical element of losing weight which is mental health.
i've been borderline bulimic for most of my life - have gone from 300lbs down to 185 in a matter of 5 or 6 months after i had had enough (which was likely just a very, very prolonged purge). when it comes to weight loss stuff i'm usually the person telling people it's not that hard - because it's not - but in many overweight people the need and desire to eat is often overwhelming and compuslive - overeating is not done consciously, it's something that people like me naturally go back to
these efforts to combat fat shaming are really problematic - what he starts off with the beginning of the video is largely accurate - being overweight is simply not healthy. but physical health is significantly less important than mental health in almost every circumstance, to be honest. being as fit as possible but feeling like shit about yourself is less healthy than being chubby and happy.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;48285430]dude doesn't recognize that overeating in obese people is generally a coping mechanism for depression and is a self repeating cycle, has very little to do with laziness
alcoholics and drug addicts aren't lazy, they've got issues. same deal with people who overeat.
they're all problems that need to be treated instead of just saying "fuck you control yourself"[/QUOTE]
Maybe this just an overreaction to HAES and other bogus fat positive propaganda.
I don't really get why I should care if others are overweight. It's like, if you've got other shit going on in your life, and you're okay with it, your health is really none of my concern.
It's totally not healthy, yeah, but it's your life, do what you want with it and enjoy it however you want.
[QUOTE=KorJax;48285479]While this is true for people who are suffering these issue's I'd really argue against the statement that "overeating in obese people is [B]generally[/B] a coping mechanism for depression"
it implies that the majority of people out there who are obese and overeat do so because of depression, which just isn't going to be true. The reality for the vast majority is likely laziness and/or bad habits, or just having other priorities in life.
I think fat shaming is stupid as fuck and I hate people who work out solely to brush up their own egos while getting off on self-labeling themselves as a "hard worker" but frankly a lot of obese people are obese because of lifestyle choices not because of an actual medical condition[/QUOTE]
I think the point he's trying to make is that disparaging a person as "lazy" in this context is completely useless in any meaningful way. It's ironically a "lazy" way of describing a person's lack of activity or motivation, which can be a very complex problem.
At the end of the day, overeating [B]is[/B] a coping mechanism for an underlying issue.
pretty sure this guy bullied me in high school
Fat positivity is [I]not[/I] (or at least, it shouldn't be and wasn't intended to be) about saying 'you're perfectly healthy if you're morbidly obese and you never need to change anything about yourself ever because you're perfect'. My impression of it was that it was simply saying; stop shaming people about their weight. If you want to hold an intervention and show that you care, do that. But laughing at somebody, shouting at them in the street, calling them names, none of it will do anything but make them feel more scared and lower their mental state (and yes, this kind of shit does happen).
I'm a fairly average person weight-wise who doesn't work out, so I have a bit of a stomach, but I have a pretty fast metabolism so I'm fairly lucky not to get shit like that, but for some people, eating unhealthily is very difficult to get out of.
The issue with fat shaming is not that fat people don't get treated like royalty. The issue is that I've seen people with thoroughly average builds get slammed as 'fat' or even 'obese' because they have a heavy-set body structure (I know some underweight girls who have been called fat just because they are physiologically wide), and the goalposts seem to constantly change so as to shame anyone who oversteps the arbitrary margin. No celebrity (especially female ones) can risk having even the slightest bit of excess stomach or the tiniest roll, lest they be snapped by the paparazzi with a nice saucy headline the next day talking about how disgustingly fat they are.
Obesity may be an increasing problem in our society, but the solution is not to shame people. That solves absolutely nothing and, if anything, makes the problem worse because those people then feel insecure and talk to others for comfort, or indeed, eat to calm themselves down. All fat shaming is is a way for people to mock other humans for something which affects pretty much nobody but themselves (you can talk about the strain on healthcare but I've never seen anyone march into a pub and shout statistics at the bar patrons). Fat-shaming has the dual effect of giving hundreds of thousands of teenagers eating disorders and causing other overweight people to gain even more weight.
Basically, stop talking about somebody's weight unless you actually and genuinely give a shit about that individual. Otherwise, there's simply no point.
[QUOTE=Pythagoras64;48285811]I don't really get why I should care if others are overweight. It's like, if you've got other shit going on in your life, and you're okay with it, your health is really none of my concern.
It's totally not healthy, yeah, but it's your life, do what you want with it and enjoy it however you want.[/QUOTE]
What if it's a person close to you and you love them/don't want them to have health problems?
[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;48286175]What if it's a person close to you and you love them/don't want them to have health problems?[/QUOTE]
in that case you'd be providing genuine help instead of publically humiliating them
This guy always take his shirt off when he wants to call you a loser.
[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;48286175]What if it's a person close to you and you love them/don't want them to have health problems?[/QUOTE]
If someone I know and love has a genuine problem with food and fitness, and is in a situation they don't want to be in, then I'll help, but I'm not going to pretend I know what's best for everyone.
Some people want long healthy lives, others want risky and exciting, but inevitably short lives, and I just don't see one being a more valid way to live than the other.
"Fitness Motivator"
Right...
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I mean obesity is an actual problem, but yelling at people aint helpin.
I recognize this man.
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Drill Sergeant Burk.
I could understand his mentality especially given his background. He trains men and women into becoming soldiers and I'm certain he was not a stranger to seeing 'fatbodies' while he was (or still is) a Drill Sergeant at a Basic Training unit.
I agree with most of his points, but the way he's yelling at the viewer isn't very motivating IMO.
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Seeing as he was/is a drill sergeant, then I can understand if that's just the way he was taught.
I completely agree with his statements when he brings up overweight parents and their overweight children. If you are not able to teach them healthy eating habits and make them as overweight as you are, you shouldn't be a parent because you make them suffer the same way you are.
While I don't like the whole "healthy at every size" thing, these fitness obsessed lunatics can be almost as bad.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;48286461]I completely agree with his statements when he brings up overweight parents and their overweight children. If you are not able to teach them healthy eating habits and make them as overweight as you are, you shouldn't be a parent because you make them suffer the same way you are.[/QUOTE]
You also have to consider that it's expensive to be healthy too. Frozen foods, canned stuff, the microwaveable goods, fast food and some restaurants go very cheap and are more convenient.
You're in a poor household and you can only afford takeout or have to resort to buying in bulk, low-quality end foods at the market, you're going to have a bad diet. Have a low-paying job, can't afford that much groceries besides canned food and have to take trips to Mickey D's every other day?
Sometimes it's very difficult to stay healthy where you do not have the income to sustain that lifestyle.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;48286461]I completely agree with his statements when he brings up overweight parents and their overweight children. If you are not able to teach them healthy eating habits and make them as overweight as you are, you shouldn't be a parent because you make them suffer the same way you are.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Children don't even get a choice if the only lifestyle their parents let them have is an unhealthy one. If you want to be unhealthy as an adult, you have that right, but don't force your kids into it as well.
Now while i do agree with everything he said, there was this family i know that their daughter had the fat genes. I mean there entire family is fucking HUUUGE. BUT they were the nicest people to talk to and nobody made fun of their daughter because people accepted her for families genes. That said, there was a lot of normal fat kids that was made fun of for being fat so.
[QUOTE=Pythagoras64;48285811]I don't really get why I should care if others are overweight. It's like, if you've got other shit going on in your life, and you're okay with it, your health is really none of my concern.[/QUOTE]
Because people love to hate even when it is completely irrational.
You know what I hate? Douchebags who hate others for no discernible reason, Doubly so if they think they know better about how they should live.
Building a habit is the most important and hardest step if you ask me. Don't worry so much about what you actually do at the gym, exercise but don't worry about not meeting a certain arbitrary goal or whatever. Just focus on actually showing up to the gym in the first place. Once you got the habit down you start working on improving yourself. That's what I did and it worked great. Still a long ass way to go for me but I've been exercising regularly since January now and I enjoy it. Three times a week over the summer and five times a week when I'm at Uni.
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