• 3D Printed Guns (VICE Doc.)
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Guns, that you can print! (even though they've been around before this Doc was made I know) [video=youtube;DconsfGsXyA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DconsfGsXyA[/video]
This guy gives off a real Tyler Durden vibe.
BAN ALL PRINTERS [editline]25th March 2013[/editline] BRING HP AND EPSON TO JUSTICE
"self-described crypto-anarchist" makes him sound like a fedora-wearing, okcupid-using basement dweller to me, but he actually makes some pretty interesting points on the changing consistency of gun control 3d printing is going to explode in the next few years when it becomes commercialized, i'm really interested to see how that plays out as well
3D printing is going to be so cool, guns or no guns. I do agree that the guy raises a bunch of interesting points.
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[QUOTE=Waffle99;40036644][img]https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSo0xPeHzWYL4B2HIrDj_VvD5Oqu-tu3LdQZRCT0zK6WEjSZZUD[/img][/QUOTE] i'd print one out though
I don't get this resentment to regulation. From what I understand it has a lot to do with fear, but still.
Cool stuff, but I don't really like how VICE tried to demonize printing polymer lowers by playing eerie music and starting off with newtown at the beginning of the video.
He seems like a bit of a conspiracy theorist nutcase at times.
[QUOTE=Scot;40036831]He seems like a bit of a conspiracy theorist nutcase at times.[/QUOTE] yeah, I lost it at the whole "they're pseudo liberal-comi-globalists"
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;40036788]Cool stuff, but I don't really like how VICE tried to demonize printing polymer lowers by playing eerie music and starting off with newtown at the beginning of the video.[/QUOTE]They weren't demonizing anything, don't be silly.
[QUOTE=Scot;40036831]He seems like a bit of a conspiracy theorist nutcase at times.[/QUOTE] I think the fact that he wants to bring "reform" through producing a method for people to obtain unlicensed parts of a gun makes him more crazy than anything else. I mean I agree that intense regulation and bans only makes it harder for law abiding citizens to get guns. But straight up giving out that kind of stuff is almost directly helping criminals. Also I don't think the practice of printing these parts itself is bad, I just think what he wants to do with the technology and prints is.
[QUOTE=Winters;40036922] But straight up giving out that kind of stuff is almost directly helping criminals. [/QUOTE] Your average gang-banger isn't going to have the knowledge or funds to buy or build a 3D printer and put together an AR-15. Most gun crime comes from handguns anyways, and they are very, very far off from printing an entire gun.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;40036987]Your average gang-banger isn't going to have the knowledge or funds to buy or build a 3D printer and put together an AR-15. Most gun crime comes from handguns anyways, and they are very, very far off from printing an entire gun.[/QUOTE] Yeah I'm talking about organized gangs like cartels or mobs. [editline]25th March 2013[/editline] Who will then distribute those guns to more common gang bangers. Also the lower receiver is the bit that carries all the info IIRC so it does not really matter if they can make a whole gun because they can simply remove the part that allows them to track the gun.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;40036987]Your average gang-banger isn't going to have the knowledge or funds to buy or build a 3D printer and put together an AR-15. Most gun crime comes from handguns anyways, and they are very, very far off from printing an entire gun.[/QUOTE]Yes, the only thing that these guys have managed to create so far is the lower receiver and the magazine, and it's only for an AR-15. [editline]25th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Winters;40037012]Yeah I'm talking about organized gangs like cartels or mobs. [editline]25th March 2013[/editline] Who will then distribute those guns to more common gang bangers.[/QUOTE]Unless you can effectively kill someone with a plastic part, I'm not so sure it's going to help them in any way.
[QUOTE=Killer900;40037022]Unless you can effectively kill someone with a plastic part, I'm not so sure it's going to help them in any way.[/QUOTE] These guy's end goal is to get a gun made of plastic that functions like a real gun, once they achieve that they will release it. I understand that now it is not a threat but that was his stated intentions.
[QUOTE=Winters;40037012]Yeah I'm talking about organized gangs like cartels or mobs. [editline]25th March 2013[/editline] Who will then distribute those guns to more common gang bangers. Also the lower receiver is the bit that carries all the info IIRC so it does not really matter if they can make a whole gun because they can simply remove the aprt that allows them to track the gun.[/QUOTE] You can't track a Gun in the US past the FFL by tracing it's serial #. Guns aren't made with tracking devices built into them like they are in "CSI: Miami", and most states in the US don't have long gun (Rifle) registries, so you don't have to register any rifles you build. Building an AR-15 in your garage with a 3D printer would be no different than milling one out of a block of aluminium or just buying the parts at your local pawn shop. As it stands, most Cartels get their firearms from a black market or from military deserters, so why would they pay out the ass for a good 3D printer to print guns that aren't nearly as durable as military issue weapons they can get by the crate? Your paranoia about gang bangers getting their hands on assault rifles is just silly.
I still don't really see why this Cody guy is even trying to eventually print whole guns? He says he doesn't like an increase in gun regulation because he is some sort of 'Justin Timberlake look a like pseudo anarchist', and that is why he must make a tool designed to kill accessible to everyone? Which is daft as everyone agrees that certain individual should not have access to guns. let alone trying to achieve untraceable high calibre weapons, with its only real purpose is to be used illegally.
[QUOTE=Winters;40037012]Yeah I'm talking about organized gangs like cartels or mobs. [/QUOTE] You mean organised crime that can get their hands on weapons for next to nothing already?
[QUOTE=Winters;40037046]These guy's end goal is to get a gun made of plastic that functions like a real gun, once they achieve that they will release it. I understand that now it is not a threat but that was his stated intentions.[/QUOTE] It would be absolutely impossible to build an entire firearm out of plastic. When a gun fires, a small explosion occurs inside the receiver and the barrel. The lower receiver of an AR only handles the recoil from said explosion, not the actual explosion. Trying to fire a gun made out of plastic will just send shrapnel all over the place.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;40037100]You can't track a Gun in the US past the FFL by tracing it's serial #. Guns aren't made with tracking devices built into them like they are in "CSI: Miami", and most states in the US don't have long gun (Rifle) registries, so you don't have to register any rifles you build. Building an AR-15 in your garage with a 3D printer would be no different than milling one out of a block of aluminium or just buying the parts at your local pawn shop. As it stands, most Cartels get their firearms from a black market from military deserters, so why would they pay out the ass for a good 3D printer to print guns that aren't nearly as durable as military issue weapons they can get by the crate? Your paranoia about gang bangers getting their hands on assault rifles is just silly.[/QUOTE] I think you've got me mixed up, I'm not saying that printing in general is a negative thing and you're spinning my posts to make it so. I'm trying to explain why the guy in this video is an idiot and it is because he said he is doing this so he can get unlicensed unregulated firearms into the hands of just about anyone with a 3D printer and if what some of those guys were saying was true could be a lot of people in a not so distant future. [editline]25th March 2013[/editline] IS there any length Facepunch wont go to defend some of this shit, this guy is obviously a nut case with clearly stated and self admitted "Evil" intentions. [editline]25th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=ijyt;40037108]You mean organised crime that can get their hands on weapons for next to nothing already?[/QUOTE] Just because they can already get them easily means we shouldn't prevent another method in which they can do the same?
[QUOTE=Winters;40037139]I think you've got me mixed up, I'm not saying that printing in general is a negative thing and you're spinning my posts to make it so. I'm trying to explain why the guy in this video is an idiot and it is because he said he is doing this so he can get unlicensed unregulated firearms into the hands of just about anyone with a 3D printer and if what some of those guys were saying was true could be a lot of people in a not so distant future. [editline]25th March 2013[/editline] IS there any length Facepunch wont go to defend some of this shit, this guy is obviously a nut case with clearly stated and self admitted "Evil" intentions. [editline]25th March 2013[/editline] Just because they can already get them easily means we shouldn't prevent another method in which they can do the same?[/QUOTE] Wasn't snipping your post to make you seem dumber or anything, was just making it more clear what part of your post I was responding too. You said "But straight up giving out that kind of stuff is almost directly helping criminals." so I responded to that saying why it was a really fucking silly statement. You then commented on how it will be cartels or mafias using 3D printers to make guns and that they would make them untraceable. And I again posted about how really god damn silly that is considering there are almost no long gun registries in the US so them being untraceable isn't an issue anyways. I'll agree this guy is a pretty shady character, but he's doing the right thing, even if it is for the wrong reasons.
[QUOTE=Winters;40037139]IS there any length Facepunch wont go to defend some of this shit, this guy is obviously a nut case with clearly stated and self admitted "Evil" intentions.[/QUOTE]You don't personally know this guy (neither do I), but do you seriously think that he's an evil nutcase? You shouldn't really judge someone based on a 20 minute doc. [editline]25th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=bearwolf;40037105]I still don't really see why this Cody guy is even trying to eventually print whole guns? He says he doesn't like an increase in gun regulation because he is some sort of 'Justin Timberlake look a like pseudo anarchist', and that is why he must make a tool designed to kill accessible to everyone? Which is daft as everyone agrees that certain individual should not have access to guns. let alone trying to achieve untraceable high calibre weapons, with its only real purpose is to be used illegally.[/QUOTE]You're looking at it the wrong way.
Can you explain the right way then for me?
No, you'll probably just argue even more.
The amount of times he said that he was doing it to cause a stir, be "intentionally disruptive", proved how much of a juvenile fuck he is. Why 3D print guns? 'Cause the gov'ment wants ta keep us down!!! What a huge douche.
[QUOTE=Aznsniper911;40037388]No, you'll probably just argue even more.[/QUOTE] I genuinely wanted to know the reason he was speaking of, and I don't think you understand what arguing is because of you actually read my comment I wasn't remotely arguing.
How much progress does there have to be made in the 3D printing tech to make an actual functional up-to-specs gun? From what I gathered, the lower receiver is the easiest part. Gun barrels require much more strong, durable and precise construction. How precise are printers now and how precise do they have to become before it becomes an issue? [editline]25th March 2013[/editline] What I expect, is that once the law catches up with the tech, they'll ban certain 3D printer specs or materials instead of design files. Plenty of other hardware around with law-imposed restrictions so it's not unthinkable.
[QUOTE=Clavus;40037465]How much progress does there have to be made in the 3D printing tech to make an actual functional up-to-specs gun? From what I gathered, the lower receiver is the easiest part. Gun barrels require much more strong, durable and precise construction. How precise are printers now and how precise do they have to become before it becomes an issue? [/QUOTE] They have to make a lot of progress, a lot. The actual barrel, bolt, gas system, trigger assembly, and many other small parts need to be made of steel. If you tried to make one out of printed plastic, you'd basically just have a pipe bomb.
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