Oh god, not this shit again.
It's still taking money for something that should have been paid for. I wish people would stop trying to justify piracy, it's almost as bad as stealing.
If you're pirating something, you're doing something wrong, get over it.
[QUOTE=Zeero;21379685]Oh god, not this shit again.
It's still taking money for something that should have been paid for. I wish people would stop trying to justify piracy, it's almost as bad as stealing.
If you're pirating something, you're doing something wrong, get over it.[/QUOTE]
Actually, if you weren't going to buy it in the first place, and never would have, they aren't losing any money.
[QUOTE=Xionasis;21379776]Actually, if you weren't going to buy it in the first place, and never would have, they aren't losing any money.[/QUOTE]
Yup, and then if you actually like it and you are a good person you might buy a real copy, but even if you don't, you just might endorse the product, thats like free advertising.
[QUOTE=Commsky;21379851]Yup, and then if you actually like it and you are a good person you might buy a real copy, but even if you don't, you just might endorse the product, thats like free advertising.[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
Piracy isn't really hurting anyone, but it isn't helping anyone either.
[QUOTE=Zeero;21379685]Oh god, not this shit again.
It's still taking money for something that should have been paid for. I wish people would stop trying to justify piracy, it's almost as bad as stealing.
If you're pirating something, you're doing something wrong, get over it.[/QUOTE]
Agreed
Technically, I guess piracy can increase sales by, like what has been said already, user adverting. For example, I know a lot of FP'ers wouldn't buy the Adobe Master Collection CS4 or something, which is $5k. Therefore Adobe loses nothing if you pirate it, tell a friend whose dad owns a company, and the company buys it or something.
While technically this has a point, piracy is not theft. It's copyright infringement.
[QUOTE=NeoTurtle;21381518]While technically this has a point, piracy is not theft. It's copyright infringement.[/QUOTE]
The copyright laws sucks ass at the moment and always has. Not to mention patents...
What they need to do is to reevaluate the current copyright laws position in a modern society, and come up with appropriate changes both beneficial for the consumer and the production companies.
Rape isn't theft either. That makes rape okay.
It's not rape if she's unconscious.
[QUOTE=BmB;21381605]Rape isn't theft either. That makes rape okay.[/QUOTE]
you are retarded
[QUOTE=Combine_dumb;21379882]Piracy isn't really hurting anyone, but it isn't helping anyone either.[/QUOTE]
it's actually doing both at the same time.
who gets hurt:
the parties involved who put out the data being pirated. see, they're missing out on a sale, that's where the idea of theft comes into play, when you get something for free, and no one gets anything in exchange for it (in this case payment), it's what's considered either given, loaned, or stolen. unless the parties that originally created/published/distributed the downloaded content said "here have it for free" or said "here have it for free for a little while", it's being stolen.
who gets helped:
the person downloading it, obviously, there's not really anything else to explain here.
i'm not against piracy, i just more or less hate the people that actually try and find a way to say there's absolutely nothing wrong with piracy. i know the repercussions of piracy, i know who isn't getting what amount of money, and yet i pirate anyway. but i don't go around saying it's okay for me to do it.
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[QUOTE=Commsky;21379851]Yup, and then if you actually like it and you are a good person you might buy a real copy, but even if you don't, you just might endorse the product, thats like free advertising.[/QUOTE]
most of the time, this doesn't happen. it can very well be used as an excuse, but realistically, seldom do people actually buy something after they've pirated it.
The only thing the companies are losing is [I]potential[/I] profit, because you could have paid for your copy. They don't actually lose anything, they just don't earn as much as they could have if there were no pirated copies, which is the exact reason why the companies advocate against piracy. They want as much money as they can possibly get.
[QUOTE=Xionasis;21379776]Actually, if you weren't going to buy it in the first place, and never would have, they aren't losing any money.[/QUOTE]
Yes they are.
When you have no form of entertainment, you will want to buy entertainment.
When you have all the entertainment you want, you don't need to buy any. They are losing money because rather than buying the game, you are just downloading a copy.
Don't come out with that "I wouldn't buy it anyway" bullshit, because if you have no games and you don't have methods of piracy available to you, you would buy games.
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[QUOTE=robmaister12;21382546]The only thing the companies are losing is [I]potential[/I] profit, because you could have paid for your copy. They don't actually lose anything, they just don't earn as much as they could have if there were no pirated copies, which is the exact reason why the companies advocate against piracy. They want as much money as they can possibly get.[/QUOTE]
Which is perfectly reasonable given their outward costs and work put into development.
If you want to add to the list of who gets hurt you can put other people who bought the games. Companies try to stop piracy with crap that sometimes prevents you from playing your legitimate copy. SecuROM is an example that doesn't work against pirates and screws over people who use multiple computers.
A pirated copy isn't necessarily a lost sale, no. But what it is, is a piece of entertainment that is being enjoyed when the person enjoying it has no right to do so. If it's good enough for your to bother with at all in the first place chances are you might have payed for it if you hadn't gotten it for free.
It [i]can[/i] be a lost sale. But even when it isn't, it is a sale that is overdue. You legally owe the price of admission if you enjoyed it, even if you had no intention of paying it in the first place. A better comparison perhaps would be sneaking into a theater that isn't sold out. Nobody is losing a seat and it doesn't cost the theater anything for you to see it.
Yet you are still "stealing" the viewing.
[QUOTE=BmB;21382609]A pirated copy isn't necessarily a lost sale, no. But what it is, is a piece of entertainment that is being enjoyed when the person enjoying it has no right to do so. If it's good enough for your to bother with at all in the first place chances are you might have payed for it if you hadn't gotten it for free.
It [i]can[/i] be a lost sale. But even when it isn't, it is a sale that is overdue. You legally owe the price of admission if you enjoyed it, even if you had no intention of paying it in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Well said.
[QUOTE=Commsky;21379851]Yup, and then if you actually like it and you are a good person you might buy a real copy, but even if you don't, you just might endorse the product, thats like free advertising.[/QUOTE]
I "downloaded" Killing Floor a loooong time ago and I liked it so much I bought a copy at a Best Buy
[QUOTE=FFStudios;21382789]I "downloaded" Killing Floor a loooong time ago and I liked it so much I bought a copy at a Best Buy[/QUOTE]
I downloaded killing floor too, off steam. Regretted it. Waste of 20$.
If I enjoyed the shit I pirated, I buy it. If I don't enjoy it, I delete it without even finishing.
[QUOTE=Commsky;21379851]Yup, and then if you actually like it and you are a good person you might buy a real copy, but even if you don't, you just might endorse the product, thats like free advertising.[/QUOTE]
If you pirate it you might like it, buy it and endorse the product.
If I ever make a good game it wont be free, but there wont be any form of drm on it.
It's not a try before you buy scheme either, however benevolent that may sound. You are still trying it without any right to do so, and even if you buy it afterwards you violated that right before you did. Even worse, if you didn't like it you just took the right for yourself with no compensation for the author.
Sure it's not theft.
but it's still illegal.
and it's still the reason we have to deal with all this shit about DRM.
[QUOTE=BmB;21381605]Rape isn't theft either. That makes rape okay.[/QUOTE]
wow.
i just killed 5 people with my own fork. it's not theft so it's okay.
Actually there is one thing that does justify it.
You can do it, you can get stuff for free, and nobody can do anything about it. It is practically unenforcable. There is no practical reason why in this scenario you wouldn't want to pirate. It's not your problem if content providers go out of business, there's an ocean of them and it's up to them to provide a product and a service that cannot be pirated.
Imagine if copying candy was possible, would there be any profit left in making candy? No. Candy would be free.
We'd be stuck with the exact same candy, no-one would dare come up with new recipes because they'd end up spending time and money on it only to end up being unable to profit from it.
Same shit pretty much applies to copying games, except with games there's a higher demand for uniqueness and quality. Not to mention how expensive it is to produce quality games.
If you think that piracy killing gaming is bullshit, then explain the recent spike in "casual games", console exclusive games, games primarily written for consoles then ported to PC(often not done very well) and desperate DRM schemes that are strict enough to limit the actual paying customers.
[QUOTE=BmB;21383918]Actually there is one thing that does justify it.
You can do it, you can get stuff for free, and nobody can do anything about it. It is practically unenforcable. There is no practical reason why in this scenario you wouldn't want to pirate. It's not your problem if content providers go out of business, there's an ocean of them and it's up to them to provide a product and a service that cannot be pirated.[/QUOTE]
I CAN steal my friends money while he doesn't notice it, and he wouldn't suspect me. Therefore it's justified, right?
And if developers spend more time "perfecting" DRM instead of focusing on creating quality games it'll end up with the pirates whining about it and saying that's why they pirated it in the first place.
[QUOTE=BmB;21383918]Actually there is one thing that does justify it.
You can do it, you can get stuff for free, and nobody can do anything about it. It is practically unenforcable. There is no practical reason why in this scenario you wouldn't want to pirate. It's not your problem if content providers go out of business, there's an ocean of them and it's up to them to provide a product and a service that cannot be pirated.[/QUOTE]
and when they do you will bitch about DRM.
wow, you're basically killing the PC industry gj.
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