• Darth Revan and Darth Bane's deleted scene from Star Wars: The Clone Wars
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[video=youtube;c6_vdYwMrEc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6_vdYwMrEc[/video]
weird to hear starkiller's voice in a not-starkiller role.
The reason this was cut was because George Lucas decided during production that Dark Side users don't get force ghosts/Live beyond death. Before someone brings up Darth Bane's appearance in the final season, that wasn't a force ghost, it was some sort of Dark Side illusion.
IMO seeing Revan as a sith ghost would be weird anyways unless it was something leftover from his time as a Sith. It's much more interesting having him tread the middle line and do whatever the fuck suited him.
[QUOTE=Pops;51711568]weird to hear starkiller's voice in a not-starkiller role.[/QUOTE] well the voice of Starkiller is Maul in Clone Wars and Rebels
Yeah he was never really some power hungry darksider. He just turned to evil as an ultimate act of self sacrifice to do what was necessary.
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;51711649]well the voice of Starkiller is Maul in Clone Wars and Rebels[/QUOTE] Yeah, but his voice as the Son is just his normal speaking voice just eviler, like Starkiller is. with Maul hes putting on a voice. [editline]22nd January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Anderan;51711646]IMO seeing Revan as a sith ghost would be weird anyways[B] unless it was something leftover from his time as a Sith[/B][/QUOTE] Well that happened in SWTOR. Revan's spirit was split into two. It is as horrible as it sounds.
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;51711649]well the voice of Starkiller is Maul in Clone Wars and Rebels[/QUOTE] he also voiced palpatine/sidious. ah, tuskin beat me to it.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;51711624]The reason this was cut was because George Lucas decided during production that Dark Side users don't get force ghosts/Live beyond death. Before someone brings up Darth Bane's appearance in the final season, that wasn't a force ghost, it was some sort of Dark Side illusion.[/QUOTE] That's really lame. I always imagined the Force as being neutral and not caring on one's orientation.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;51711624]The reason this was cut was because George Lucas decided during production that Dark Side users don't get force ghosts/Live beyond death. Before someone brings up Darth Bane's appearance in the final season, that wasn't a force ghost, it was some sort of Dark Side illusion.[/QUOTE] Good thing George Lucas doesn't have shit to do with Star Wars anymore.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51712447]Good thing George Lucas doesn't have shit to do with Star Wars anymore.[/QUOTE] They still follow his notes and how he built the universe, they won't go against that
[QUOTE=download;51711722]That's really lame. I always imagined the Force as being neutral and not caring on one's orientation.[/QUOTE] George Lucas disagrees, to him the Light Side is the natural state of the force and the Dark Side is a perversion of it. That's why people were supposed to interpret "bringing balance to the force" as "getting rid of the Dark Side once and for all". It's pretty dumb honestly.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;51712484]They still follow his notes and how he built the universe, they won't go against that[/QUOTE] They will make sure to write them well though. Lucas has brilliant ideas he just struggles to write them on his own.
Bane?
[QUOTE=13illay;51712698]Bane?[/QUOTE] Hes the one on the left.
Honestly, if you think that Dark Side is somehow necessary and brings balance to the Force you have been blinded by the mess that was old EU and ignoring the clear message OT sends. Dark Side is bad and all the people who use it instead of Light Side need to be purged, either through death or redemption.
[QUOTE=Damjen;51713600]Honestly, if you think that Dark Side is somehow necessary and brings balance to the Force you have been blinded by the mess that was old EU and ignoring the clear message OT sends. Dark Side is bad and all the people who use it instead of Light Side need to be purged, either through death or redemption.[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone actually thinks the Dark Side is good or necessary, it's just that when you explicitly use language like "balance" it implies an equilibrium between the two sides rather than the complete annihilation of one. I don't think people would even be discussing this if the prophecy from the prequels had been about bringing peace to the force or restoring the force or whatever.
[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;51714227]I don't think anyone actually thinks the Dark Side is good or necessary, it's just that when you explicitly use language like "balance" it implies an equilibrium between the two sides rather than the complete annihilation of one. I don't think people would even be discussing this if the prophecy from the prequels had been about bringing peace to the force or restoring the force or whatever.[/QUOTE] Dark Side itself is the imbalance. It's an unnatural blight upon the Force and[sp]is implied to come from a source outside of GFFA.[/sp]George made it pretty clear in the prequels, destroying the Sith (the only known Dark Side users by the time of RotS) brings balance to the Force.
You mean we were this close to Revan being canon?
[QUOTE=Damjen;51713600]Honestly, if you think that Dark Side is somehow necessary and brings balance to the Force you have been blinded by the mess that was old EU and ignoring the clear message OT sends. Dark Side is bad and all the people who use it instead of Light Side need to be purged, either through death or redemption.[/QUOTE] Humans have both good and evil aspects about them. There would never truly be a universe where the darker side of man ceases to exist. So long as there is mankind, there will be darkness. I always interpreted the light and dark sides of the force to be representative of that.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;51711624]The reason this was cut was because George Lucas decided during production that Dark Side users don't get force ghosts/Live beyond death. Before someone brings up Darth Bane's appearance in the final season, that wasn't a force ghost, it was some sort of Dark Side illusion.[/QUOTE] That isn't true at all, there is a sith spirit inside the holocron in the season 2 finale of Star Wars Rebels, as well as the nightsister spirits from both The Clone Wars and Rebels both of which utilize a power that is dark sided in nature, meaning it is possible through the use of the dark side to turn into a spirit. Furthermore given the fact that Revan was redeemed in Legends (which we're going to have to use as a source because he has no canonical existence in Disney canon as of yet), he would show up as a spirit because light side spirits do get to transcend after death. But even if this was not hte case, there is nothing saying that revan's essence isn't bound to the tomb or some kind of object (like say, a holocron) that allows his spirit to persist after death.
[QUOTE=Kill4Control;51719509]That isn't true at all, there is a sith spirit inside the holocron in the season 2 finale of Star Wars Rebels, as well as the nightsister spirits from both The Clone Wars and Rebels both of which utilize a power that is dark sided in nature, meaning it is possible through the use of the dark side to turn into a spirit. [/QUOTE] That is different, that spirit is bound to the holocron, and I don't think she can even manifest herself. What this episode would have done was have actual force ghosts, not spirits trapped there.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;51719562]That is different, that spirit is bound to the holocron, and I don't think she can even manifest herself. What this episode would have done was have actual force ghosts.[/QUOTE] Which as I previously stated the nightsisters already mastered despite their use of the dark side. Not only that but considering revan was by technicality a gray user of the force (having lived equal lives as a jedi and sith, though by his time of death was a jedi), he theoretically -could- manifest even with Lucas' absurd restriction. The same could be said of Darth Bane due to the fact that he destroyed the sith (even if it was with semi-sinister intentions). My point is that to say that dark side users can't become force ghosts even though the DARK SIDE UTILIZING nightsisters have succeeded is one of the more absurd things to exit Lucas' mouth.
The Nightsisters are not dark side, they use some sort of Force Magic/alchemy. They were also anchored to Dathomir.
"Magick was a supernatural technique that allowed a practitioner to wield great powers connected to the dark side of the Force.[1][2] The Nightsister witches of Dathomir were wielders of magick, with Mother Talzin being the most powerful of the magick-using witches.[3]" By Lucas' laws, if you're connected to the dark in any way shape or form you can't become a spirit
They're not one with the force though.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;51720493]They're not one with the force though.[/QUOTE] They are not however they do become spirits, there is nothing at all implying or stating that sith spirits become one with the force, that is simply common sense that they don't, however what you're (technically Lucas) saying is that they in general can't become spirits which is untrue.
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