• Nostalgia Critic Editorial: Are Video Games Art?
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[url]http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/39451-nostalgia-critic-are-video-games-art[/url] Pretty dignified if you asked me.
videogames won't be considered art until babies stop whining when games are criticized as such eg. everybody who whined about anita's videos
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;40906064]videogames won't be considered art until babies stop whining when games are criticized as such eg. everybody who whined about anita's videos[/QUOTE] Disagreeing with an opinion makes someone a baby? Or are you talking about the numbnuts that flagged her video? Either way there are people like that in all forms of art, so thats a really stupid remark to make.
[QUOTE=OutLawed Blade;40906142]Disagreeing with an opinion makes someone a baby? Or are you talking about the numbnuts that flagged her video? Either way there are people like that in all forms of art, so thats a really stupid remark to make.[/QUOTE] i'm talking about how people whined and cried going "WHO CARES ITS MADE FOR MEN ;a;" when somebody tried to provide an analysis for the medium
I don't see why this is getting dumbs and disagrees. Not only is he making good points and backing them up, but he isn't interrupting himself with unfunny humor like usual. Sure, he did do that at the end, but I'm willing to let that slide because the real content in the video was already finished at that point.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;40906181]i'm talking about how people whined and cried going "WHO CARES ITS MADE FOR MEN ;a;" when somebody tried to provide an analysis for the medium[/QUOTE] Although I agree that those type of people are complete knobs, I don't see how that nullifies video games from being art.
[QUOTE=SirVerbose;40906201]I don't see why this is getting dumbs and disagrees. Not only is he making good points and backing them up, but he isn't interrupting himself with unfunny humor like usual. Sure, he did do that at the end, but I'm willing to let that slide because the real content in the video was already finished at that point.[/QUOTE] probably because the subject has been done to death over the past half a decade and him making a video on this subject now seems just as pandery as his "why is loki so hot" video
[QUOTE=Anonymuzz;40906924]probably because the subject has been done to death over the past half a decade and him making a video on this subject now seems just as pandery as his "why is loki so hot" video[/QUOTE] Still, it's a step up from his other videos, but lets be honest. With NC, it's always one step up, then two steps down. I can't wait for the [I]hilarious[/I] TMZ jokes next week.
First post is about gender.... Great thread guys.....
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;40906064]videogames won't be considered art until babies stop whining when games are criticized as such eg. everybody who whined about anita's videos[/QUOTE] WOW you mean like people do with LITERALLY EVERY ARTFORM ALREADY?
Well Doug did say in the vid that he's more a casual man who plays alot of Nintendo and such and hasn't been following games a whole lot. Most of these "are games art" videos are usually from the perspective of either a professional critic, or a "hardcore gamer".
I personally feel that games are actually under threat of being divided into "game and also art" or "high game", and "multiplayer and casual games" A huge generalization to be sure, but when multiplayer games are always leaning more to MMO tropes with free-to-play and MOBA formats, where the only art is the superficial art of the landscapes and characters, as opposed to, for example, the commentary art as well as visual, demonstrated with examples like Bioshock Infinite, it's going to be difficult to argue against. It's not that multiplayer games can't make the attempt, but I'm not seeing any effort put in. Co-op games are the exception, but even then, the very nature of the co-op game tends to spoil any narrative experience, with the constant push for 'things to happen' lest someone gets bored.
can someone give me a list of games this video's haves and which one have spoilers.?
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To people who consider video games being art, do you also consider sports like hockey or football art? Logically, you shouldn't. I don't think anyone would argue that a sport is art but a game compared to a sport isn't actually that different. You both play them but instead of playing a game with your body you use a mouse and keyboard or a controller to play.
If I say my opinion, I'm gonna have dumb's rained down upon me in a heavy pour. But "artistic" videogames have ruined several franchises, it's up there with wanting the COD audience, being casual, and doing "edgy" reboots. It ruined Bioshock infinite with its 2deep4u ending and character development with Elizabeth, who had no depth outside of cutscenes and per-determined areas. Not to say that it's bad to have artistic videogames, but developers seem to forget to add the all important "fun" element into their games during development.
If video games can be art, then can board games, card games, and physical games like charades or sports be art too? What would an high art card game be like? Is Calvin Ball a Dadaist sport? This is really interesting idea!
[QUOTE=minilandstan;40909029]If I say my opinion, I'm gonna have dumb's rained down upon me in a heavy pour. But "artistic" videogames have ruined several franchises, it's up there with wanting the COD audience, being casual, and doing "edgy" reboots. It ruined Bioshock infinite with its 2deep4u ending and character development with Elizabeth, who had no depth outside of cutscenes and per-determined areas. Not to say that it's bad to have artistic videogames, but developers seem to forget to add the all important "fun" element into their games during development.[/QUOTE] would you say that it ruined The Walking Dead, since that game has almost entirely nonexistent gameplay? the way that you play the game doesn't have to be fun by itself, it only matters if you enjoy what you get out of experiencing it. Deadly Premonition is easily one of the worst games of our time, and yet it's so enjoyable that almost everyone who's played it absolutely swears by it. see what i mean? it doesn't have to be [I]about[/I] fun to [I]be[/I] fun. [editline]5th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Fish_poke;40907267]WOW you mean like people do with LITERALLY EVERY ARTFORM ALREADY?[/QUOTE] nobody says "WHO CARES IT'S JUST A PICASSO PAINTING" or "GOD STOP TAKING CITIZEN KANE SO FUCKING SERIOUSLY." if you try and criticize video games as not being art then they're a legitimate medium for the conveyance of ideas and emotions, but if you take them seriously as an art form, then you're only overcomplicating something that should be very simplistic and brainless. there's a deeply uncomfortable dissonance here and i've yet to hear anything clearing it up.
What is the definition of 'art' to begin with? [editline]5th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Cone;40909217]nobody says "WHO CARES IT'S JUST A PICASSO PAINTING" or "GOD STOP TAKING CITIZEN KANE SO FUCKING SERIOUSLY." if you try and criticize video games as not being art then they're a legitimate medium for the conveyance of ideas and emotions, but if you take them seriously as an art form, then you're only overcomplicating something that should be very simplistic and brainless. there's a deeply uncomfortable dissonance here and i've yet to hear anything clearing it up.[/QUOTE] actually quite a few people say those things quite a lot of the time
[QUOTE=minilandstan;40909029]If I say my opinion, I'm gonna have dumb's rained down upon me in a heavy pour. But "artistic" videogames have ruined several franchises, it's up there with wanting the COD audience, being casual, and doing "edgy" reboots. It ruined Bioshock infinite with its 2deep4u ending and character development with Elizabeth, who had no depth outside of cutscenes and per-determined areas. Not to say that it's bad to have artistic videogames, but developers seem to forget to add the all important "fun" element into their games during development.[/QUOTE] but bioshock inf was fun, and Elizabeth was actually a pretty sweet sidekick. unlike someone else: [t]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081106201031/residentevil/it/images/b/b7/AshleyGraham.jpg[/t] [sp]i hope you burn in hell capcom for making this useless piece of plot[/sp]
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;40906181]i'm talking about how people whined and cried going "WHO CARES ITS MADE FOR MEN ;a;" when somebody tried to provide an analysis for the medium[/QUOTE] i like how youre whining and crying about other people whining and crying
Art a : the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects; also : works so produced
Short answer? Yes.
Some video games are art, alot (like Call of Duty) are not
I don't like thinking of video games as art for a few reasons. The entire medium is still about playing, as opposed to cinema which despite being entertainment is still a much more passive thing, there aren't nearly enough games that can possibly be qualified as art, and the few titles that actually have the balls to call themselves that are usually really shit, pretentious indie game with 8bit graphics and a convoluted, cryptic plot about usually death or pregnancy. Video games won't and shouldn't be considered art for a while because they remain a source of very basic entertainment, with more focus set on gameplay than on storytelling. Games that actually settle on heavy storytelling (heavy rain, walking dead, notably) lose so much grasp over gameplay that people start arguing about whether they really are games or not, and games that try to make a good mix of both usually fall flat.
if you can argue whether it's art or not, then it's probably art.
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;40910272]Art a : the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects; also : works so produced[/QUOTE] There are pretty much two definitions of Art. One is very defined (pretty much everything you generate with creative skills. Hence why we mention the art direction in the visual design of a game or anything else), the other has no clear definition and is still very debated upon this day. Considering we're talking about the second aspect here, you can't just pull out of a definition and hope you can win the debate somehow. There is this line of thought that says all is art. Then yes, video gaming is art, sure. Then there is this line of thought that I prefer and that says that art is the result of a very complex, elaborated and dedicated process of thought and execution. It's an idea that can't be applied to a medium in general because it needs to be taken on one-by-one case.
[QUOTE=TheKritter71;40910278]Some video games are art, alot (like Call of Duty) are not[/QUOTE] Yea, Call of Duty games are more like a turd you framed in your hall way. Am I right guys? cause Call of Duty is a big load of poop that kids play with unlike us mature, tastefull gamers. As I'm typing this Doug is rambling on in the back ground about video games. What a goob.
I don't see why people still think they can argue games aren't art these days.Yes there are a lot of really dumb games, but then there are also tons of dumb films, dumb pictures, dumb sculptures and dumb music as well but we don't write those mediums off. Some games have a lot of meaning in them, bioshock 1 for example had a theme on objectivism and how a world based of the idea would only fall apart, or slient hill with its enemies designed to be symbolic of the emotions of the character.
[b]what is the list of games in the video.?[/b]
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