To be fair, Putin really has everything it takes to be a leader. The attitude, the stature, the charisma. It's all there. He really is the 'ideal' man to lead, ignoring his decisions post-election
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;43469578]To be fair, Putin really has everything it takes to be a leader. The attitude, the stature, the charisma. It's all there. He really is the 'ideal' man to lead, ignoring his decisions post-election[/QUOTE]
Literally all of it is a show though, the man is a rockstar and that's pretty much all he is. Except for the fact he can make world changing decisions.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;43469578]To be fair, Putin really has everything it takes to be a leader. The attitude, the stature, the charisma. It's all there. He really is the 'ideal' man to lead, ignoring his decisions post-election[/QUOTE]
Ah yes, the ever important corruption behind the many closed doors all with blood seeping out, the most important part of a strong leader.
[QUOTE=Binladen34;43469602]Literally all of it is a show though, the man is a rockstar and that's pretty much all he is. Except for the fact he can make world changing decisions.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, it's all for show
but if you weren't aware of how he was (which you wouldn't be during his election most likely) he really does seem like the one guy you'd 100% vote for. I mean look at the dude!
[editline]8th January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Dysgalt;43469606]Ah yes, the ever important corruption behind the many closed doors all with blood seeping out, the most important part of a strong leader.[/QUOTE]
I remember when I missed the point :^)
seriously, the idea isn't about what he has done AS a leader, it's that how he's played off and presented, it's no mystery how he got so much praise. He's the perfect leader, in image.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;43469578]To be fair, Putin really has everything it takes to be a leader. The attitude, the stature, the charisma. It's all there. He really is the 'ideal' man to lead, ignoring his decisions post-election[/QUOTE]
attitude stature and charisma have nothing to do with being a leader
a leader is someone who has the intelligence, desire, ability, and motivation to lead a population and their society into a brighter future
basing the quality of leaders on their wit and speaking fluidity is why a majority of politicians in the US are just fork tongued smooth speakers
[QUOTE=Loriborn;43469622]attitude stature and charisma have nothing to do with being a leader
a leader is someone who has the intelligence, desire, ability, and motivation to lead a population and their society into a brighter future
basing the quality of leaders on their wit and speaking fluidity is why a majority of politicians in the US are just fork tongued smooth speakers[/QUOTE]
I understand that you have this really perfect idea about how things -should- be, but you're wrong. A very large portion of being a leader has to do with having the charisma to 'lead' people. You can go for a really out of place anti-us jab all you want, but you're still not right.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;43469667]I understand that you have this really perfect idea about how things -should- be, but you're wrong. A very large portion of being a leader has to do with having the charisma to 'lead' people. You can go for a really out of place anti-us jab all you want, but you're still not right.[/QUOTE]
Now I see what you're saying.
Kinda like how Putin is to Russia as to what Obama was to America. (2008, 2012 Obama was the lesser evil of the political candidates).
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;43469667]I understand that you have this really perfect idea about how things -should- be, but you're wrong. A very large portion of being a leader has to do with having the charisma to 'lead' people. You can go for a really out of place anti-us jab all you want, but you're still not right.[/QUOTE]
i dont understand, are you saying you want to be lead (major decisions of your government and society made by these people) by people purely based on how well they wear a suit, how well they speak publicly, or how nicely they interact with other people?
under that logic, celebrities should be politicians, not normal regular joes; i am not anti-american, but if you actually believe that charisma gives someone a right to make critical economic/socio-economic/legislative decisions, youve already allowed politicians like putin (god awful ones) to convince you that because they carry their role well, they deserve their position
being a good leader is not about winning people's love and affection, its about being inclined to lead their society with the best interests of the population
charisma sure as hell helps you get votes from people who only want to see a dude who dresses sharply and says "what we are all thinking!" but i would rather have a congress comprised solely of anti-social experts in the fields of economics and government, than someone like putin who abuses his position of power
Don't forget that this man is not known as the Butcher of Grozny because he had a summer job in a deli.
Lori, really looks like you missed the part where I said "in image"
I don't really care about what they actually do in office, because that's not the topic right now. Campaigning is not about being intellectual or anything like that, it's about presenting yourself as someone who will be a strong leader and winning over trust. Yes, good leaders should make wise choices for their countries, but that isn't the idea for the moment. We're talking about pure PR. Putin and his crew are quite frankly some of the best I've seen when it comes to creating an image, it's really a great job with how they portray him.
When you look at the famous pictures of leaders (even the good ones), you don't tend to think 'oh man look at that smart intellectual infront of his people'.
[editline]8th January 2014[/editline]
I'm just gonna use Eisenhower as an example for the moment, great president and all that, really smart guy. But take a look at one of the images used during his re-election campaign:
[img]http://ikeandharry2012.org/DDE72-1972-1-NPS.jpg[/img]
It's about the show. The real work comes after winning.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;43469771]Lori, really looks like you missed the part where I said "in image"
I don't really care about what they actually do in office, because that's not the topic right now. Campaigning is not about being intellectual or anything like that, it's about presenting yourself as someone who will be a strong leader and winning over trust. Yes, good leaders should make wise choices for their countries, but that isn't the idea for the moment. We're talking about pure PR. Putin and his crew are quite frankly some of the best I've seen when it comes to creating an image, it's really a great job with how they portray him.
When you look at the famous pictures of leaders (even the good ones), you don't tend to think 'oh man look at that smart intellectual infront of his people'.[/QUOTE]
well to be fair, its a tad bit easier to skew public relations when you control the state media, news outlets, radio, newspaper, and censor most active criticism. putin's actual speeches and physical actions arent actually that grand or anything, just a lot of story telling, publicity pictures, and so on, and no one can really do anything negative about it because he's putin
even the most corrupt politicians here dont have that kind of power, so obviously we hear a bit more flak about them; they couldnt get away with being cocky and overbearing, because they dont/cant rig elections
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