• Man shows an audience a bunch of graphs, shows incredible price plunge of renewable energy
    37 replies, posted
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwSkQa1tNmE[/media] Amazing talk from start to finish, lots of cool/uplifting info. Mostly aimed at the South African audience, but involves other countries as well. Timestamps for topics: 0:00 - South Africa's ongoing energy crisis 1:23 - Pollution mortality 2:15 - Recent decline of coal power 3:00 - Wind price plunge, increased viability & improvements over time 7:27 - Pretty much the same for solar, except even better; solar is now officially the cheapest form of power in sunny countries, even without subsidies, and still rapidly falling 10:30 - Dubai's solar power is the cheapest power in the history of power; solar's exponential growth 16:40 - Coal plants being canceled in China, India in favor of solar, citing economic feasibility 17:46 - Benefits and drawbacks of nuclear 19:40 - Solar/wind symbiosis 20:25 - Energy storage improvements & price plunge; the obligatory Musk mention 22:38 - Past projections on solar growth vs. reality; even the most conservatively wrong people predict it's going to be dominant by mid-century 25:50 - The end of the oil age; an ongoing exponential rise of electric transport 28:35 - Electric car ownership predictions vs. reality 31:32 - The danger and the opportunity of the climate change 35:25 - Q&A (battery pollution, biofuels, market stability of renewable energy)
This video legit made me hopeful for the future. Coal and oil need to fucking die.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;52908252]This video legit made me hopeful for the future. Coal and oil need to fucking die.[/QUOTE] Sounds like it's unavoidably going to. Solar and wind and electric aren't exactly something you can propaganda away like Nuclear. Once this all gets cheaper than using oil, that's going to be huge.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;52908252]This video legit made me hopeful for the future. Coal and oil need to fucking die.[/QUOTE] The wind boom has been fuelling the gas boom so I'm pretty doubtful. It's interesting he forgot to mention how much gas was installed the US.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;52908410]Solar and wind and electric aren't exactly something you can propaganda away like Nuclear.[/QUOTE] Honestly, I wouldn't be too sure about it.
[QUOTE=download;52908440]The wind boom has been fuelling the gas boom so I'm pretty doubtful. It's interesting he forgot to mention how much gas was installed the US.[/QUOTE] He does mention the gas disruption @2:40
[QUOTE=trollbuster;52908476]Honestly, I wouldn't be too sure about it.[/QUOTE] I mean, what could you possibly say? I'm struggling to think of a way you can make a fucking goofy looking wind turbine, or a solar panel, look like the enemy.
All politics and whatnot aside, it's gonna suck when oil burners are gone. You just can't recreate that sound and feel of a old school V8
[QUOTE=InsanePyro;52908511]All politics and whatnot aside, it's gonna suck when oil burners are gone. You just can't recreate that sound and feel of a old school V8[/QUOTE] I bet you can and someone will.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;52908505]I mean, what could you possibly say? I'm struggling to think of a way you can make a fucking goofy looking wind turbine, or a solar panel, look like the enemy.[/QUOTE] People will definitely [I]try[/I] to find an angle to antagonize green energy. Whether it'll work or not is not something I can predict but I can see someone along the lines of "the sun will run out of energy if we use too much". Not to I say I don't hope we smoothly transition from combustion to green.
[QUOTE=InsanePyro;52908511]All politics and whatnot aside, it's gonna suck when oil burners are gone. You just can't recreate that sound and feel of a old school V8[/QUOTE] What duckmaster said, plus I'm sure people will be allowed to keep driving them outside cities. Probably won't be as much of an environmental/health issue when the majority of the population switches to electric for convenience. I can definitely see an MFGhost/REDLINE-type scenario happening where people will still be racing ICEs far into the future.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;52908505]I mean, what could you possibly say? I'm struggling to think of a way you can make a fucking goofy looking wind turbine, or a solar panel, look like the enemy.[/QUOTE] How about the Windmills fucking up the landscape of the countryside or Oceans full of them and its too loud for animals?
[QUOTE=Skanic;52908721]How about the Windmills fucking up the landscape of the countryside or Oceans full of them and its too loud for animals?[/QUOTE] dunno about you bub but a filthy ass coal power station like the one close to me 'fucks up the landscape' far more than any cool looking wind turbines will so that's a bunk point. Too loud for animals? Never heard that one before, horseshit. With housing, turbines are placed at least 300m from the closest residence. Here a turbine will produce about 43dB which is often drowned out in the average background noise of... 43dB. The noise of turbines is actively being worked on and very close to not being a problem. A cow field using up the rest of the land around a turbine installation would experience levels no higher than a small window AC unit.
[QUOTE=Skanic;52908721]How about the Windmills fucking up the landscape of the countryside or Oceans full of them and its too loud for animals?[/QUOTE] So are you saying you'd prefer this [img]https://cdn.zmescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/coal-plant.jpg[/img] To this? [img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/25/article-2546042-1AF455DA00000578-369_634x409.jpg[/img] I hope your avatar is a joke because this post combined with that really create a [B][I]somewhat[/I][/B] unflattering picture of who you are as a person.
[QUOTE=Skanic;52908721]How about the Windmills fucking up the landscape of the countryside or Oceans full of them and its too loud for animals?[/QUOTE] Fun fact - My brother is pursuing a PhD in mechanical engineering and has been working on a wind turbine blade that creates ultrasonic frequencies so bats stop hitting it. (Ironically making it 'louder' to make it safer). Most of the arguments against wind that I've heard is that it causes more deaths per kilowatt hour than nuclear, that the production of them isn't completely green (especially if it involves massive battery arrays to store it) and that there could be corruption in terms of who gets government money for this.
The only real downside to wind power is that depending on the angle of the sun relative to a wind turbine, the blades can block the sun and essentially any houses in that path has turned the sun into a strobe light. The blades block the sun for a split second, making the interior of the house dark similar to cloud coverage before bringing it back up to normal light instantly. While it doesn't happen all day, it can be really, [i]really[/i] annoying.
[QUOTE=Amaurus;52908870]The only real downside to wind power is that depending on the angle of the sun relative to a wind turbine, the blades can block the sun and essentially any houses in that path has turned the sun into a strobe light. The blades block the sun for a split second, making the interior of the house dark similar to cloud coverage before bringing it back up to normal light instantly. While it doesn't happen all day, it can be really, [i]really[/i] annoying.[/QUOTE] although fortunately that doesn't actually trigger epileptic fits or hurt to look at like a real strobe light, it's just annoying
[QUOTE=Skanic;52908721]How about the Windmills fucking up the landscape of the countryside or Oceans full of them and its too loud for animals?[/QUOTE] [t]https://az616578.vo.msecnd.net/files/2016/06/18/636018189401756366-1111187066_oil%20spill.jpg[/t][t]https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/1c927d7ef6e0b0dd894b26c703d156564b268605/c=264-0-2584-1744&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2016/10/19/TennGroup/Knoxville/636124672240157615-0628-KCLO-Spill-06.JPG[/t][t]http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/68750/story_image/Coal_slurry_spill_in_Coldwater_Creek.jpg?1392150397[/t] You're right, and solar is bad because if you absorb the suns energy you'll just absorb its heat and it'll cause global warming Unlike oil and coal, which produces clean energy and doesn't fuck any landscapes up, and the boats that use it don't create any noise in the ocean at all. That's a fact, look it up. You can't find a single example of oil/coal pollution because that doesn't exist. [t]http://images.newindianexpress.com/uploads/user/imagelibrary/2017/2/6/w600X390/OILSPILL110_EPS.jpg[/t][t]http://images.newindianexpress.com/uploads/user/imagelibrary/2017/3/20/original/Central.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Amaurus;52908870]The only real downside to wind power is that depending on the angle of the sun relative to a wind turbine, the blades can block the sun and essentially any houses in that path has turned the sun into a strobe light. The blades block the sun for a split second, making the interior of the house dark similar to cloud coverage before bringing it back up to normal light instantly. While it doesn't happen all day, it can be really, [i]really[/i] annoying.[/QUOTE] Ideally the people zoning a turbine do some basic trig calculations to see if the turbine's shadow goes anywhere like this. [I]Ideally.[/I]
Man, it seems feasible I might be driving an electric vehicle in 5 years at this rate.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;52908824]So are you saying you'd prefer this [img]https://cdn.zmescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/coal-plant.jpg[/img] To this? [img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/25/article-2546042-1AF455DA00000578-369_634x409.jpg[/img] I hope your avatar is a joke because this post combined with that really create a [B][I]somewhat[/I][/B] unflattering picture of who you are as a person.[/QUOTE] What he is saying is he doesn't want HIS neighborhood littered with additional tall structures that create noise and mess up the landscape. The alternative isn't a big dirty factory next to his house, but rather continued use of the big dirty factory 100 miles away that nobody minds because it has been there for decades. This is a legit concern for a lot of people, we can't just write it off to selfishness. Converting from coal/oil/nuclear to wind power means big construction projects happening in places that has typically been left untouched by industry/urbanization because of their remoteness. This wouldn't be a problem if you could just knock down existing powerplants and build wind turbines on the existing land. Sadly we can't; we literally HAVE to mess up open oceans and landscapes due to the very nature of the energy we're attempting to harness. Wind is a good option for some locations. For everything else, let's go nuclear.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;52911502]What he is saying is he doesn't want HIS neighborhood littered with additional tall structures that create noise and mess up the landscape. The alternative isn't a big dirty factory next to his house, but rather continued use of the big dirty factory 100 miles away that nobody minds because it has been there for decades. This is a legit concern for a lot of people, we can't just write it off to selfishness. Converting from coal/oil/nuclear to wind power means big construction projects happening in places that has typically been left untouched by industry/urbanization because of their remoteness. This wouldn't be a problem if you could just knock down existing powerplants and build wind turbines on the existing land. Sadly we can't; we literally HAVE to mess up open oceans and landscapes due to the very nature of the energy we're attempting to harness. Wind is a good option for some locations. For everything else, let's go nuclear.[/QUOTE] With nuclear we don't need to completely redesign our electricity grid, we don't need to spoil our landscape with dams or wind turbines and we don't need impossibly large quantities of batteries (batteries we will need to decarbonise our cars first). You can knock down a coal plant and slot a nuclear plant right into the same location.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;52911502]What he is saying is he doesn't want HIS neighborhood littered with additional tall structures that create noise and mess up the landscape. The alternative isn't a big dirty factory next to his house, but rather continued use of the big dirty factory 100 miles away that nobody minds because it has been there for decades. This is a legit concern for a lot of people, we can't just write it off to selfishness. Converting from coal/oil/nuclear to wind power means big construction projects happening in places that has typically been left untouched by industry/urbanization because of their remoteness. This wouldn't be a problem if you could just knock down existing powerplants and build wind turbines on the existing land. Sadly we can't; we literally HAVE to mess up open oceans and landscapes due to the very nature of the energy we're attempting to harness. Wind is a good option for some locations. For everything else, let's go nuclear.[/QUOTE] Why the hell would you convert from nuclear power?
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;52911562]Why the hell would you convert from nuclear power?[/QUOTE] i think he's talking about hypotheticals, plus some places are more willing to shut down their nuclear plant than they are to keep it.
The prohibitive expense of new NPPs in the US is not really a technological one but a regulatory and cost one. As the video mentioned the two reactors that got canned in SC were due to cost overruns and lengthy NRC approvals, hell [URL="http://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2017/08/10/the_nuclear_regulatory_commission_working_itself_out_of_a_job_110241.html"]Westinghouse had to file Chap 11 bankruptcy due to it.[/URL] This is primarily due to some, IMO, overzealous red tape that stagnates reactor builds. We had such a boom of reactors back during the cold war mainly due to govt subsidies and a then-more streamlined NRC. At the same time, in a post-9/11 (and unfortunately Fukushiima, Chernobyl, Three Mile which all three reasons are retarded due to human incompetence not a failure of the technology.) world, these factors made the NRC yet more anal.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;52911502]What he is saying is he doesn't want HIS neighborhood littered with additional tall structures that create noise and mess up the landscape. The alternative isn't a big dirty factory next to his house, but rather continued use of the big dirty factory 100 miles away that nobody minds because it has been there for decades. [/QUOTE] but just like solar power, shit doesn't have to be right in the neighborhood. there's assloads of sheer empty space in the US where you can easily plop down some panels/turbines without upsetting anything or anyone.
[QUOTE=InsanePyro;52908511]All politics and whatnot aside, it's gonna suck when oil burners are gone. You just can't recreate that sound and feel of a old school V8[/QUOTE] yeah but a burner can't recreate the sound and feel of an electric car buzzing away so I don't really see the point here. A car can't recreate the smell and feel of a horse [editline]21st November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Im Crimson;52911502]What he is saying is he doesn't want HIS neighborhood littered with additional tall structures that create noise and mess up the landscape. The alternative isn't a big dirty factory next to his house, but rather continued use of the big dirty factory 100 miles away that nobody minds because it has been there for decades. This is a legit concern for a lot of people, we can't just write it off to selfishness. Converting from coal/oil/nuclear to wind power means big construction projects happening in places that has typically been left untouched by industry/urbanization because of their remoteness. This wouldn't be a problem if you could just knock down existing powerplants and build wind turbines on the existing land. Sadly we can't; we literally HAVE to mess up open oceans and landscapes due to the very nature of the energy we're attempting to harness. Wind is a good option for some locations. For everything else, let's go nuclear.[/QUOTE] The alternative to a centralized powerplant is also not a big windmill right next to your house. Also there is a fallacy here: [quote] in places that has typically been left untouched by industry/urbanization because of their remoteness. [/quote] Then who is there who cares and who are the "big construction projects" built for? [editline]21st November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Amaurus;52908870]The only real downside to wind power is that depending on the angle of the sun relative to a wind turbine, the blades can block the sun and essentially any houses in that path has turned the sun into a strobe light. The blades block the sun for a split second, making the interior of the house dark similar to cloud coverage before bringing it back up to normal light instantly. While it doesn't happen all day, it can be really, [i]really[/i] annoying.[/QUOTE] I don't know about your country but we do have regulations here in Germany reventing this except fr single cases were either the landowner fucked up himself or the community went against existing regulations.
[QUOTE=Killuah;52913084]yeah but a burner can't recreate the sound and feel of an electric car buzzing away so I don't really see the point here. A car can't recreate the smell and feel of a horse [/QUOTE] If you're not a car guy you won't get it. In all seriousness.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;52908505]I mean, what could you possibly say? I'm struggling to think of a way you can make a fucking goofy looking wind turbine, or a solar panel, look like the enemy.[/QUOTE] Gotta protect the sun. :vs: [URL="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nc-town-rejects-solar-farm-due-unscientific-concerns-article-1.2464816"]North Carolina town rejects solar farm because citizens think panels will 'suck up all the energy from the sun'[/URL]
[QUOTE=Skanic;52908721]How about the Windmills fucking up the landscape of the countryside or Oceans full of them and its too loud for animals?[/QUOTE] Still upset and angsty about Lincoln Park huh?
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.