It's got a right to exist, but I also have a right to call it garbage.
does froggy fresh count as hick hop
if so i will defend it with my dying breath
The only hick-hop you need:
[video=youtube;8yoZuLQizoM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yoZuLQizoM[/video]
Damn hick hop is pretty embarrassing to listen to
I know it's a good video because he's rocking natural Black hair and uses colloquialisms. [sp]I liked the video, this is just a joke.[/sp]
If you're gonna make rap music, you need to understand that its history. Pretty much from its inception, it was an outlet for Black people and Latinos. Full stop.
If you're making hip hop that embraces and relishes in your racist past, you need to get the fuck out of here.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;52645691]If you're gonna make rap music, you need to understand that its history. Pretty much from its inception, it was an outlet for Black people and Latinos. Full stop.
If you're making hip hop that embraces and relishes in your racist past, you need to get the fuck out of here.[/QUOTE]
Stop making things I don't like.
edit - Like if the intent is truly racist I could get behind the argument, but if it is something they are creating for musical purposes then I don't see why anyone should have more claim to it than others except culturally and that shouldn't impede on anyone physically. Ironically if you do that it nudges the line of racism quite closely itself as you're forcing people away from something based on race.
I kind of love it when I hear people play hick-hop.
Not because it's enjoyable though. I'm just, kind of fascinated when I hear it?
[QUOTE=1chains1;52645703]Stop making things I don't like.
edit - Like if the intent is truly racist I could get behind the argument, but if it is something they are creating for musical purposes then I don't see why anyone should have more claim to it than others except culturally and that shouldn't impede on anyone physically. Ironically if you do that it nudges the line of racism quite closely itself as you're forcing people away from something based on race.[/QUOTE]
He only hinted at in the video but it would extremely ironic and un-hip-hop as fuck to try and deny someones right to rap about something just because it's the polar opposite of what you think people should be saying.
Like, it sucks that racism is what has to be defended. But like Funk said you have to acknowledge the roots and hip-hop is literally formed around "[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87S0h7MT5FU]Woah dude[/url] you cant [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jOqOlETcRU]rap[/url] about [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=517WVJNdO5g]that[/url]!"
Edit:
While grabbing those links I found another weird ass song
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H3NcH1HigU[/media]
"If you don't judge my gold chains I'll forgive the iron chains!"
:scream:
[QUOTE=1chains1;52645703]Stop making things I don't like.
edit - Like if the intent is truly racist I could get behind the argument, but if it is something they are creating for musical purposes then I don't see why anyone should have more claim to it than others except culturally and that shouldn't impede on anyone physically. Ironically if you do that it nudges the line of racism quite closely itself as you're forcing people away from something based on race.[/QUOTE]
Like Omilinon said, I'm not gonna stop it from existing. I think even shit like Johnny Rebel have a right to say what they want. It existing actually provokes an interesting discussion.
I see no issues if a white southern rapper wants to rap. More power to ya. In fact, there's some pretty decent white southern rappers out there.
But you're a a tool if you fly a confederate flag in the video.
[QUOTE=gunguy765;52644862]The only hick-hop you need:
[video=youtube;8yoZuLQizoM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yoZuLQizoM[/video][/QUOTE]
But that's nip-hop.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;52645691]If you're gonna make rap music, you need to understand that its history. Pretty much from its inception, it was an outlet for Black people and Latinos. Full stop.
If you're making hip hop that embraces and relishes in your racist past, you need to get the fuck out of here.[/QUOTE]
person is completely unaware that the french, german and russian rap and hip hop scenes are literally as diverse and all encompassing as western rap scenes. it can also be argued that while black people and latinos came up with the whole concept, the french perfected it because their language by its nature allows for extremely complex, fluid and dynamic rhyme schemes - more so than their english counter-parts.
it has long been little to do with race to the point that there are probably more white hip hop artists from around the world than there are black, and it's completely redundant to claim that you need to have knowledge of its roots to be able to have a right to make hip hop.
redneck hillbillies can make entire albums about killing presidents and starting race wars for all i care, you have absolutely no right to claim otherwise, and the video in the OP is even more embarrassing for trying to make it seem as if a black man has an inherent authority over a particular genre of music.
Hick Hop makes me cringe inside
[QUOTE=Melnek;52646126]person is completely unaware that the french, german and russian rap and hip hop scenes are literally as diverse and all encompassing as western rap scenes. it can also be argued that while black people and latinos came up with the whole concept, the french perfected it because their language by its nature allows for extremely complex, fluid and dynamic rhyme schemes - more so than their english counter-parts.
it has long been little to do with race to the point that there are probably more white hip hop artists from around the world than there are black, and it's completely redundant to claim that you need to have knowledge of its roots to be able to have a right to make hip hop.
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While I agree fully that you don't need to know the roots of hip-hop in order to create hip-hop, an artist benefits far more from looking back at where the genre came from then not. I can tell you that those artists that don't utilize the efforts made by past rap artists are usually the ones that are trying to make one-hit singles, and disappear by the next 3 years into obscurity. It's the same as of any other genre.
French, German, and Russian rap scenes are also nowhere near the same level as the American/Canadian rap scene. It's ridiculous that you say that the French "perfected" rap when it's a genre that can't be perfected, and I'm relatively sure no person who actually listens to hip-hop would put a French rapper in something like a top ten list, and would more likely be inclined to put an artist from the genre's "roots" (Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, Tupac, Biggie, Run DMC, Slick Rick, etc,.). Sure, the French language might potentially be a better outlet for hip-hop, but who has stepped up to the base? MC Solaar? Rohff? IAM? Nah.
For your other point, I agree. Everyone has the ability to join in hip-hop and do what they'd like. Hip-hop is the biggest genre in the United States now, alongside with R&B, and it's no longer "black-only" music.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;52645691]If you're gonna make rap music, you need to understand that its history. Pretty much from its inception, it was an outlet for Black people and Latinos. Full stop.
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If you're gonna make rock music, you need to understand that its history. Pretty much from its inception, it was an outlet for White people. Full stop.
[QUOTE=Omilinon;52646686]While I agree fully that you don't need to know the roots of hip-hop in order to create hip-hop, an artist benefits far more from looking back at where the genre came from then not. I can tell you that those artists that don't utilize the efforts made by past rap artists are usually the ones that are trying to make one-hit singles, and disappear by the next 3 years into obscurity. It's the same as of any other genre.
French, German, and Russian rap scenes are also nowhere near the same level as the American/Canadian rap scene. It's ridiculous that you say that the French "perfected" rap when it's a genre that can't be perfected, and I'm relatively sure no person who actually listens to hip-hop would put a French rapper in something like a top ten list, and would more likely be inclined to put an artist from the genre's "roots" (Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, Tupac, Biggie, Run DMC, Slick Rick, etc,.). Sure, the French language might potentially be a better outlet for hip-hop, but who has stepped up to the base? MC Solaar? Rohff? IAM? Nah.
For your other point, I agree. Everyone has the ability to join in hip-hop and do what they'd like. Hip-hop is the biggest genre in the United States now, alongside with R&B, and[B] it's no longer "black-only" music.[/B][/QUOTE]
I had to keep reminding people when this video blew up.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cZ8-RgtrP0[/media]
They failed to realize that this is what pop music has sounded like [I]for his entire existence[/I]. So from his perspective, he's just making music that sounds like what's on the radio. (if he even has used a radio).
Also he's wearing a fucking BAPE shirt in that video. [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99eBuqAT4CI]Lil dude a g.[/url]
This guy lacks nuance, and even though I side with almost all his opinions on some level, it's still irritating to see them in such black and white terms. Still a very good watch though
I think this video was more informative on hick hop and racism, even though it was made far before all these events.
[video=youtube;dlpvGYKFJf8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlpvGYKFJf8[/video]
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52646692]If you're gonna make rock music, you need to understand that its history. Pretty much from its inception, it was an outlet for White people. Full stop.[/QUOTE]
And rock is based off the blues and jazz, which were outlets for black people. :v:
[QUOTE=Furioso;52646992]And rock is based off the blues and jazz, which were outlets for black people. :v:[/QUOTE]
And Jazz is based off scales from European Classical music that Ye Olde white people used to turn up to.
[editline]4th September 2017[/editline]
wait why am i even making this argument
[QUOTE=Melnek;52646126]person is completely unaware that the french, german and russian rap and hip hop scenes are literally as diverse and all encompassing as western rap scenes. it can also be argued that while black people and latinos came up with the whole concept, the french perfected it because their language by its nature allows for extremely complex, fluid and dynamic rhyme schemes - more so than their english counter-parts.
it has long been little to do with race to the point that there are probably more white hip hop artists from around the world than there are black, and it's completely redundant to claim that you need to have knowledge of its roots to be able to have a right to make hip hop.
redneck hillbillies can make entire albums about killing presidents and starting race wars for all i care, you have absolutely no right to claim otherwise, and the video in the OP is even more embarrassing for trying to make it seem as if a black man has an inherent authority over a particular genre of music.[/QUOTE]
Okay, now you're purposefully misconstruing my point. I fully understand that hip hop has become global. I love it to be honest. I couldn't name any non-english speaking rappers other than Keith Ape but the fact that theyre out there is really cool.
I don't give a fuck if you know all the people involved in its creation, but you need to understand that. And if you're gonna fly a confederate flag, even if you're rapping about how much you love black people, you're completely going against everything hip hop stands for.
You still have a right to exist of course, like, I'm obviously not calling for it to be banned. But I have a right to criticize it.
[QUOTE=MedicWine;52647000]And Jazz is based off scales from European Classical music that Ye Olde white people used to turn up to.
[editline]4th September 2017[/editline]
wait why am i even making this argument[/QUOTE]
Music history is basically a stack of Oreos.
More like a 7 layer dip.
[QUOTE=MedicWine;52647000]And Jazz is based off scales from European Classical music that Ye Olde white people used to turn up to.
[editline]4th September 2017[/editline]
wait why am i even making this argument[/QUOTE]
Jazz and blues was basically black people in America adopting African music traditions around European instruments and music theory.
[QUOTE=Amakir;52649471]Jazz and blues was basically black people in America adopting African music traditions around European instruments and music theory.[/QUOTE]
Kind of off topic but, some people in America have totally forgotten this is how music works.
You get a lot of push back from racists for liking things like hip-hop, actually progressing the culture and shit.
My dude Devin here is a great example of how this is supposed to work. He wanted to make music like so he just [I]went down to the river in 'msippi[/I] and learned it. I think you can tell it worked haha
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v63NQgLkuEM[/media]
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