Always awesome to see something get reused, reactivated, or given new life.
[editline]5th June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=JXZ;45007514]it doesnt even move 0/10[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I kind of expected for it to suddenly lunge off the concrete stand like Batman's Tumbler and start driving away somewhere.
So they got the engine kinda running. I suspect its drivetrain and gun have been disabled/removed though.
Still neat.
They'll never find shells for the 122 on it anyways.
[editline]5th June 2014[/editline]
Old monuments like that are typically kept in running condition or easily repairable condition incase shit hits the fan and they need to crew it again. I know for a fact that a few helo's on monuments in the US have fuel in their tanks and are ready to fly, all they need is a pilot.
They can still use it to make a smoke screen I suppose.
Fuck me, an IS-3M. How many of those did they even make - not a lot I assume?
Sounded more like it was running on the starter engine
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;45009080]Sounded more like it was running on the starter engine[/QUOTE]
Did sound a lot like that, guess the bearings in the engine must have been worn out to hell and back. You could definitely hear it rev up and such so it must have been relying on the engine, but it didn't sound very healthy. Not many vehicles sound healthy after being in nature after such a long while, but still.
Tanks are resilient machines, many people restore tanks even older than this. Some of them sitting out in the fields since WW2 back to full working order.
Yo guys, hate to break it for you, but that's pretty much fake. There's no fucking way one could restore a tank engine [b]from the monument[/b] to a working condition right there and then. That tank was standing there for at least 50 years, and before that, by standard procedure, everything vital was removed from it.
These guys, if that video isn't fake outright, probably have torn open the engine compartment (as it was sealed) and somehow took the engine to a nearest heavy-duty repairing station, where it must've took at least several weeks of work to restore it to a somewhat working condition, that is: clean up, oil up, restore the electrics, switch some parts etc. Then they'd have to take it back, put it into place and attempt to start. And since that engine isn't connected to anything (every connection to actual driving compartments was most likely removed, again, as per standard procedure), it would absolutely be impossible for this tank to move anywhere ever, because this tank is so out of date (not to mention it's a fucking military hardware) there's no way you can get the necessary spare details lying around.
So that leaves us with just two possibilities, since I sincerely doubt anyone would do this much work just to make a video for youtube in a country with civil war in progress: either this is an example of some [b][i]EXTREME[/i][/b] neglect on the side of local Soviet government who decided to leave the tank there in working condition, sealing as per long-time storage procedure (in which case it would've been long since stolen by curious and crafty locals), or it's a complete fake with some fireworks for smoke and sound applied digitally afterwards.
No one ever would just leave a tank on display in any kind of working condition. Not even Soviets. Most of the time in cases where engine hasn't been taken out outright, it has been filled with solidifying liquids that would completely seal everything and damage the engine beyond any and all repair.
[QUOTE=gudman;45010313]Yo guys, hate to break it for you, but that's pretty much fake. There's no fucking way one could restore a tank engine [b]from the monument[/b] to a working condition right there and then. That tank was standing there for at least 50 years, and before that, by standard procedure, everything vital was removed from it.
These guys, if that video isn't fake outright, probably have torn open the engine compartment (as it was sealed) and somehow took the engine to a nearest heavy-duty repairing station, where it must've took at least several weeks of work to restore it to a somewhat working condition, that is: clean up, oil up, restore the electrics, switch some parts etc. Then they'd have to take it back, put it into place and attempt to start. And since that engine isn't connected to anything (every connection to actual driving compartments was most likely removed, again, as per standard procedure), it would absolutely be impossible for this tank to move anywhere ever, because this tank is so out of date (not to mention it's a fucking military hardware) there's no way you can get the necessary spare details lying around.
So that leaves us with just two possibilities, since I sincerely doubt anyone would do this much work just to make a video for youtube in a country with civil war in progress: either this is an example of some [b][i]EXTREME[/i][/b] neglect on the side of local Soviet government who decided to leave the tank there in working condition, sealing as per long-time storage procedure (in which case it would've been long since stolen by curious and crafty locals), or it's a complete fake with some fireworks for smoke and sound applied digitally afterwards.
No one ever would just leave a tank on display in any kind of working condition. Not even Soviets. Most of the time in cases where engine hasn't been taken out outright, it has been filled with solidifying liquids that would completely seal everything and damage the engine beyond any and all repair.[/QUOTE]
I'm still saying the video is true. If it's been sitting for 50 years without water entering the hull, it's still possible for the thing to start with some new fluids and a general health-check (mostly stuff like replacing fuel lines and other fuel related parts). You need to remember that the engines in these things were 99% mechanical and barely anything was controlled by wires. Standard procedure was also to disarm & disable, I believe. That most likely meant removing entire drivetrain but engine, apparently.
It wouldn't be able to move however, as it had no drivetrain. It does seem like the video is true though, if the sources I've read are correct. Pretty cool, really.
[QUOTE=gudman;45010313]Yo guys, hate to break it for you, but that's pretty much fake. There's no fucking way one could restore a tank engine [B]from the monument[/B] to a working condition right there and then. That tank was standing there for at least 50 years, and before that, by standard procedure, everything vital was removed from it.
These guys, if that video isn't fake outright, probably have torn open the engine compartment (as it was sealed) and somehow took the engine to a nearest heavy-duty repairing station, where it must've took at least several weeks of work to restore it to a somewhat working condition, that is: clean up, oil up, restore the electrics, switch some parts etc. Then they'd have to take it back, put it into place and attempt to start. And since that engine isn't connected to anything (every connection to actual driving compartments was most likely removed, again, as per standard procedure), it would absolutely be impossible for this tank to move anywhere ever, because this tank is so out of date (not to mention it's a fucking military hardware) there's no way you can get the necessary spare details lying around.
So that leaves us with just two possibilities, since I sincerely doubt anyone would do this much work just to make a video for youtube in a country with civil war in progress: either this is an example of some [B][I]EXTREME[/I][/B] neglect on the side of local Soviet government who decided to leave the tank there in working condition, sealing as per long-time storage procedure (in which case it would've been long since stolen by curious and crafty locals), or it's a complete fake with some fireworks for smoke and sound applied digitally afterwards.
No one ever would just leave a tank on display in any kind of working condition. Not even Soviets. Most of the time in cases where engine hasn't been taken out outright, it has been filled with solidifying liquids that would completely seal everything and damage the engine beyond any and all repair.[/QUOTE]
there was a video some time ago which also restored a pretty ancient tank, which was demilitarized afterwards. Maybe it is not necessarily a guarantee that it was stolen all of this time? Maybe it was located in a previously guarded area that became accessible after the clusterfuck in Ukraine started?
[editline]5th June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jackpody;45010733]I'm still saying the video is true. If it's been sitting for 50 years without water entering the hull, it's still possible for the thing to start with some new fluids and a general health-check (mostly stuff like replacing fuel lines and other fuel related parts). You need to remember that the engines in these things were 99% mechanical and barely anything was controlled by wires. Standard procedure was also to disarm & disable, I believe. That most likely meant removing entire drivetrain but engine, apparently.
It wouldn't be able to move however, as it had no drivetrain. It does seem like the video is true though, if the sources I've read are correct. Pretty cool, really.[/QUOTE]
how difficult would it be to create a custom drivetrain? I am not saying that someone like those guys would do it, juts hypothetically speaking.
[QUOTE=genkaz92;45010845]there was a video some time ago which also restored a pretty ancient tank, which was demilitarized afterwards. Maybe it is not necessarily a guarantee that it was stolen all of this time? Maybe it was located in a previously guarded area that became accessible after the clusterfuck in Ukraine started?
[editline]5th June 2014[/editline]
how difficult would it be to create a custom drivetrain? I am not saying that someone like those guys would do it, juts hypothetically speaking.[/QUOTE]
I'm not that quick on tanks but it should be possible, just in no way practical. It'd probably end up being a mix-match of parts from a lot of different tanks drivetrain in the end. It'd be costly and it'd take a huge amount of time for what would most likely be unreliable, but possible.
[QUOTE=gudman;45010313]Yo guys, hate to break it for you, but that's pretty much fake. There's no fucking way one could restore a tank engine [b]from the monument[/b] to a working condition right there and then. That tank was standing there for at least 50 years, and before that, by standard procedure, everything vital was removed from it.
These guys, if that video isn't fake outright, probably have torn open the engine compartment (as it was sealed) and somehow took the engine to a nearest heavy-duty repairing station, where it must've took at least several weeks of work to restore it to a somewhat working condition, that is: clean up, oil up, restore the electrics, switch some parts etc. Then they'd have to take it back, put it into place and attempt to start. And since that engine isn't connected to anything (every connection to actual driving compartments was most likely removed, again, as per standard procedure), it would absolutely be impossible for this tank to move anywhere ever, because this tank is so out of date (not to mention it's a fucking military hardware) there's no way you can get the necessary spare details lying around.
So that leaves us with just two possibilities, since I sincerely doubt anyone would do this much work just to make a video for youtube in a country with civil war in progress: either this is an example of some [b][i]EXTREME[/i][/b] neglect on the side of local Soviet government who decided to leave the tank there in working condition, sealing as per long-time storage procedure (in which case it would've been long since stolen by curious and crafty locals), or it's a complete fake with some fireworks for smoke and sound applied digitally afterwards.
No one ever would just leave a tank on display in any kind of working condition. Not even Soviets. Most of the time in cases where engine hasn't been taken out outright, it has been filled with solidifying liquids that would completely seal everything and damage the engine beyond any and all repair.[/QUOTE]
The cost of 'properly' deactivating a military vehicle is not the most cost-effective. It would take mechanics several days to deac all the weapons, pull the massive engines, pull the drivetrain, then figure out how to move a 40 ton tank onto the pedestal.
This vehicle which probably was driven up the pedestal, ran out of gas and padlocked.
This video shows an ISU152 that was resurrected where it stood to be driven out.
[video=youtube;n_aDMqFrUV8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_aDMqFrUV8[/video]
[QUOTE=gudman;45010313]Yo guys, hate to break it for you, but that's pretty much fake. There's no fucking way one could restore a tank engine [B]from the monument[/B] to a working condition right there and then. That tank was standing there for at least 50 years, and before that, by standard procedure, everything vital was removed from it.
These guys, if that video isn't fake outright, probably have torn open the engine compartment (as it was sealed) and somehow took the engine to a nearest heavy-duty repairing station, where it must've took at least several weeks of work to restore it to a somewhat working condition, that is: clean up, oil up, restore the electrics, switch some parts etc. Then they'd have to take it back, put it into place and attempt to start. And since that engine isn't connected to anything (every connection to actual driving compartments was most likely removed, again, as per standard procedure), it would absolutely be impossible for this tank to move anywhere ever, because this tank is so out of date (not to mention it's a fucking military hardware) there's no way you can get the necessary spare details lying around.
So that leaves us with just two possibilities, since I sincerely doubt anyone would do this much work just to make a video for youtube in a country with civil war in progress: either this is an example of some [B][I]EXTREME[/I][/B] neglect on the side of local Soviet government who decided to leave the tank there in working condition, sealing as per long-time storage procedure (in which case it would've been long since stolen by curious and crafty locals), or it's a complete fake with some fireworks for smoke and sound applied digitally afterwards.
No one ever would just leave a tank on display in any kind of working condition. Not even Soviets. Most of the time in cases where engine hasn't been taken out outright, it has been filled with solidifying liquids that would completely seal everything and damage the engine beyond any and all repair.[/QUOTE]
I'd believe the video, if they did some basic work, greased up the mechanics a bit too.
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCohJTlMCcI"]The tank in this video[/URL] had been sitting in a field for 50 years and they started it up in an afternoon.
If the monument tank was literally just modified to be the monument with lazy preparation (with a few vitals and ignition removed) they could potentially fix it up.
You can also machine custom spares, not cost effective, but buying a whole new tank instead of restoring a new one isn't either.
[editline]6th June 2014[/editline]
Ninja above me.
[QUOTE=Jackpody;45010733]I'm still saying the video is true. If it's been sitting for 50 years without water entering the hull, it's still possible for the thing to start with some new fluids and a general health-check (mostly stuff like replacing fuel lines and other fuel related parts). You need to remember that the engines in these things were 99% mechanical and barely anything was controlled by wires.[/QUOTE]
Old engines are remarkably resistant to the test of time. There's videos of Fords starting up after sitting in a barns for 70+ years. Sometimes it's just a case of giving them some new oil and gasoline.
Sometimes the engine fights back, though :v:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M1o2rpO_JY[/media]
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45008028]They'll never find shells for the 122 on it anyways.
[editline]5th June 2014[/editline]
Old monuments like that are typically kept in running condition or easily repairable condition incase shit hits the fan and they need to crew it again. I know for a fact that a few helo's on monuments in the US have fuel in their tanks and are ready to fly, all they need is a pilot.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately they are all admin grounded for TBO's and that daily visual inspection that is 7000 days overdue and hasn't had its phase. All joking aside, I seriously doubt that those helicopters are in any way airworthy. The ones that have been phased out, but are still airworthy are ones in the boneyard that have been preserved for such occasions.
[QUOTE=gudman;45010313]Yo guys, hate to break it for you, but that's pretty much fake. There's no fucking way one could restore a tank engine [b]from the monument[/b] to a working condition right there and then. That tank was standing there for at least 50 years, and before that, by standard procedure, everything vital was removed from it.
These guys, if that video isn't fake outright, probably have torn open the engine compartment (as it was sealed) and somehow took the engine to a nearest heavy-duty repairing station, where it must've took at least several weeks of work to restore it to a somewhat working condition, that is: clean up, oil up, restore the electrics, switch some parts etc. Then they'd have to take it back, put it into place and attempt to start. And since that engine isn't connected to anything (every connection to actual driving compartments was most likely removed, again, as per standard procedure), it would absolutely be impossible for this tank to move anywhere ever, because this tank is so out of date (not to mention it's a fucking military hardware) there's no way you can get the necessary spare details lying around.
So that leaves us with just two possibilities, since I sincerely doubt anyone would do this much work just to make a video for youtube in a country with civil war in progress: either this is an example of some [b][i]EXTREME[/i][/b] neglect on the side of local Soviet government who decided to leave the tank there in working condition, sealing as per long-time storage procedure (in which case it would've been long since stolen by curious and crafty locals), or it's a complete fake with some fireworks for smoke and sound applied digitally afterwards.
No one ever would just leave a tank on display in any kind of working condition. Not even Soviets. Most of the time in cases where engine hasn't been taken out outright, it has been filled with solidifying liquids that would completely seal everything and damage the engine beyond any and all repair.[/QUOTE]
You know they pull tanks from WW2 out of lakes and bogs here and there and they tend to start right up, right?
[QUOTE=oakman26;45012176]that's bs, proof pls[/QUOTE]
None that I can physically provide you. I used to know a retired Col. in the USAF who flew Pavelow helo's for his entire career. His last flight for the USAF was dropping a Pavelow off at a small Museum outside of either Eglin AFB or the Pensacola navy base, can't remember which. He dropped it there with an almost full fuel tank and not much was done to it aside from locking it down. He did the same thing for a few other helo's in his career.
Take it with a grain of salt if you'd like.
[editline]6th June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;45012232]You know they pull tanks from WW2 out of lakes and bogs here and there and they tend to start right up, right?[/QUOTE]
With Russia it's a special case. Their swamps there have just the right mixture so that they don't heavily rust or degrade materials there. Like this body here ([URL="http://www.••••••••.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/boris-aleksandrovich-lazarev-soviet-pilot-wwii-01-500x375.jpg"]NSFW[/URL]). The pilot bailed out of his aircraft, landed in a swamp and died. His body sat there for around 70 years and the only part of him that was heavily degraded was his feet that were poking out of the water.
With a monument, you're going to get metal thieves that are going to pick off alot of the metal on the tank.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45008028]They'll never find shells for the 122 on it anyways.
[editline]5th June 2014[/editline]
Old monuments like that are typically kept in running condition or easily repairable condition incase shit hits the fan and they need to crew it again. I know for a fact that a few helo's on monuments in the US have fuel in their tanks and are ready to fly, all they need is a pilot.[/QUOTE]
In the case with tanks, they're in running condition cause that's how they got there, as for helos I never heard of such a thing.
Time to look into this.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45012258]None that I can physically provide you. I used to know a retired Col. in the USAF who flew Pavelow helo's for his entire career. His last flight for the USAF was dropping a Pavelow off at a small Museum outside of either Eglin AFB or the Pensacola navy base, can't remember which. He dropped it there with an almost full fuel tank and not much was done to it aside from locking it down. He did the same thing for a few other helo's in his career.
With a monument, you're going to get metal thieves that are going to pick off alot of the metal on the tank.[/QUOTE]
probably he set them down NEAR the monuments as i can't believe anyone would try to land a helicopter on the usual 20 foot high concrete plinth they make for those, which then mechanics probably strip the last of the stuff and get a crane to hoist it up
[QUOTE=Sableye;45013569]probably he set them down NEAR the monuments as i can't believe anyone would try to land a helicopter on the usual 20 foot high concrete plinth they make for those, which then mechanics probably strip the last of the stuff and get a crane to hoist it up[/QUOTE]
lmao they're not on 20 foot high pedestals
[t]http://www2.hurlburt.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/080110-F-2691M-046.JPG[/t]
they're sitting on the ground. Theres no way you could mount a Pavelow that high off the ground in a hurricane state and expect it to stay there.
[editline]6th June 2014[/editline]
The ones that are on pedestals are all just husks anyway
[QUOTE=genkaz92;45010845]there was a video some time ago which also restored a pretty ancient tank, which was demilitarized afterwards. Maybe it is not necessarily a guarantee that it was stolen all of this time? Maybe it was located in a previously guarded area that became accessible after the clusterfuck in Ukraine started?
[/QUOTE]
Well no, this tank is located in a small town in Donetsk region, in a central park. No one was ever guarding it, it was regularly covered in graffiti.
[thumb]http://www.shukach.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/node-gallery-display/post_images/185/164-36010.jpg[/thumb]
Guarded monument.
As for that other video with T-34 pulled out of a monument - that was [url=http://www.stopfake.org/en/lies-luhansk-gunmen-to-wage-war-on-repaired-t-34-museum-tank/]confirmed fake[/url].
[QUOTE=Jackpody;45010733]I'm still saying the video is true. If it's been sitting for 50 years without water entering the hull, it's still possible for the thing to start with some new fluids and a general health-check (mostly stuff like replacing fuel lines and other fuel related parts). You need to remember that the engines in these things were 99% mechanical and barely anything was controlled by wires. Standard procedure was also to disarm & disable, I believe. That most likely meant removing entire drivetrain but engine, apparently.
It wouldn't be able to move however, as it had no drivetrain. It does seem like the video is true though, if the sources I've read are correct. Pretty cool, really.[/QUOTE]
What sources are you talking about, I'm quite interested. Because everything I've found on it is based only on the video. Again, replacing parts of the engine in IS-3 would require extraction of the engine, and how did they do that? And for what reason - to make a video? [QUOTE=Sonydude;45011315]The cost of 'properly' deactivating a military vehicle is not the most cost-effective. It would take mechanics several days to deac all the weapons, pull the massive engines, pull the drivetrain, then figure out how to move a 40 ton tank onto the pedestal.
This vehicle which probably was driven up the pedestal, ran out of gas and padlocked.
This video shows an ISU152 that was resurrected where it stood to be driven out.
[/QUOTE]
It is not the most cost-effective, yes, but it's quite dangerous to just leave a sealed tank in working condition. Your video has nothing to do with it, because of simple reason: I wasn't talking just about natural deterioration. Parts of the engine were removed on purpose, again, as per standard procedure that existed for cases like these - leaving tanks as monuments was quite common. I have absolutely no reason to think that in that particular place something went wildly different from any other part of the country. [QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;45012232]You know they pull tanks from WW2 out of lakes and bogs here and there and they tend to start right up, right?[/QUOTE]
Again, that's quite different. For a start, tanks that are pulled out of bogs are mostly preserved in a nice condition without deteriorating (why I don't know, something to do with chemicals). You wouldn't be able to drive it, but to clean up and start the engine - pretty much possible in some cases, it has happened. Which is kinda different from an engine with severed and deteriorated fuel lines, blocked cylinders etc.
Again, I'm not saying it's absolutely physically impossible to start the engine on a tank like that, at least to make it's starter work somewhat. In most cases it actually is, but there're rare occurances. I'm saying that it would require shitloads of work, and all that just to make a video for youtube and no other purpose: this tank isn't going anywhere and absolutely not going to fire.
I hope they don't get it working. It'd be a huge shame if the Ukrainian Military end up having to destroy one of the few remaining IS-3's in the world.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;45014211]I hope they don't get it working. It'd be a huge shame if the Ukrainian Military end up having to destroy one of the few remaining IS-3's in the world.[/QUOTE]
Like someone else said, getting the ammunition for the thing would be impossible, since it no longer exists.
On top of that, they could possibly kill themselves if they do shove something into the breach.
[QUOTE=Binladen34;45016946]Like someone else said, getting the ammunition for the thing would be impossible, since it no longer exists.
On top of that, they could possibly kill themselves if they do shove something into the breach.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but it's a tank. Doesn't even need ammunition for certain shit. The Russians regularly ram their tanks and BMP's into houses to breach them. They could use it to clear road blocks, scare people shitless and such.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;45009080]Sounded more like it was running on the starter engine[/QUOTE]
The starter pinion failed to disengage. IT was definitely self-sustaining though. Barely.
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