• Being gay in Sweden
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[video]https://youtu.be/vTVtYvVwUXg[/video]
I guess FP finds this too uncomfortable to talk about. Would explain why this thread is so dead.
The forum is sometimes too left-leaning to have a talk about this issue.
[QUOTE=Tudd;50675112]The forum is sometimes too left-leaning to have a talk about this issue.[/QUOTE] And it sometimes complains about the forum being too right leaning
[QUOTE=Tudd;50675112]The forum is sometimes too left-leaning to have a talk about this issue.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=gokiyono;50675185]And it sometimes complains about the forum being too right leaning[/QUOTE] Can we please not do this? The reason no one wants to talk about it is that there is NOTHING to talk about. Immigrant neighborhoods in Sweden are shitholes, okay. I'm sure the majority of us saw this coming with what happened to France and Belgium when they got Muslim neighborhoods. What can we do about it? Fuck all. There's absolutely nothing to discuss here.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50675186]Can we please not do this? The reason no one wants to talk about it is that there is NOTHING to talk about. Immigrant neighborhoods in Sweden are shitholes, okay. What can we do about it? Fuck all. There's absolutely nothing to discuss here.[/QUOTE] We could start with solving the problems? Having that "we can't do shit about it" mentality is really cancerous in Sweden....
[QUOTE=BioWaster;50675067]I guess FP finds this too uncomfortable to talk about. Would explain why this thread is so dead.[/QUOTE] It's odd that this is your first assumption. As another poster said, there really isn't much to talk about
[QUOTE=DickCoco;50675207]We could start with solving the problems? Having that "we can't do shit about it" mentality is really cancerous in Sweden....[/QUOTE] And how the fuck do you propose we do that, huh? We're just a bunch of forum posters on the internet, we can't really do much right now.
I propose we not ignore the topic for one.
[QUOTE=BioWaster;50675241]I propose we not ignore the topic for one.[/QUOTE] We aren't! Look at the ratings, look at the views this thread has gotten. Just because you don't seen any posts doesn't mean people haven't seen that thread.
People like this should get sent back to whatever shithole they came from, they don't belong here, and it's pretty clear they'll feel more at home there
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50675265]We aren't! Look at the ratings, look at the views this thread has gotten. Just because you don't seen any posts doesn't mean people haven't seen that thread.[/QUOTE] Will that be enough though? We can put neat little pictures and let the thread slide into oblivion or we can talk about this little immigration problem and prevent it from happening elsewhere. Inform people.
wow
[QUOTE=BioWaster;50675241]I propose we not ignore the topic for one.[/QUOTE] As if it matters if people here ignore this topic, nobody here has any influence on anything lol Also, I wish people would stop generalizing the left
[QUOTE=BioWaster;50675287]Will that be enough though? We can put neat little pictures and let the thread slide into oblivion or we can talk about this little immigration problem and prevent it from happening elsewhere. Inform people.[/QUOTE] And that just brings us back to our original fucking posts, where we have nothing to talk about here.
Also it's not like people here don't already know about these problems
[QUOTE=Tudd;50675112]The forum is sometimes too left-leaning to have a talk about this issue.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=BioWaster;50675067]I guess FP finds this too uncomfortable to talk about. Would explain why this thread is so dead.[/QUOTE] So say something? Get the discussion started instead of bitching about people not getting the discussion started. All I have to say about this video is that is hurts seeing so much progress in the LGBT movement yet we still have to deal with homophobic bullshit even in first world countries. It doesn't even have to be a place like Sweden where two vastly different cultures are colliding, here in America we also have people trying to keep LGBT from our own parade just because they are policemen. We have TV shows that say its okay to call people fags just because of how the use of it has changed over time. That shit still hurts. I hear it nearly daily, and I live in the San Francisco bay area, probably one of the most tolerant places in America.
We can't afford to take in any more of these people. Not here, not there, not anywhere. We've witnessed the effects of importing copious amounts of Middle-Eastern refugees into our countries. We've witnessed the results of this, none of which have ever been even remotely close to positive. As far as I'm concerned, the countries which've already gone out of their way to accommodate these people are essentially lost causes; it's not like they're going back any time soon. I have a feeling that the immigrants here, as well as their children that follow, will likely cause insane amounts of problems for those living nearby them. I just think the important thing is that the rest of the world doesn't follow in Sweden's footsteps. What's next? Once LGBT people are living in fear, are they going to start attacking women who don't cover their heads? We can't have the rest of the world become like this-- this is insanity.
There is absolutely no way to fix this. People in the western world still have their own bigoted homophobic assholes, expecting to change foreign homophobic assholes as well is unrealistic
[QUOTE=Monkah;50675365]We can't afford to take in any more of these people. Not here, not there, not anywhere. We've witnessed the effects of importing copious amounts of Middle-Eastern refugees into our countries. We've witnessed the results of this, none of which have ever been even remotely close to positive. As far as I'm concerned, the countries which've already gone out of their way to accommodate these people are essentially lost causes; it's not like they're going back any time soon. I have a feeling that the immigrants here, as well as their children that follow, will likely cause insane amounts of problems for those living nearby them. I just think the important thing is that the rest of the world doesn't follow in Sweden's footsteps. What's next? Once LGBT people are living in fear, are they going to start attacking women who don't cover their heads? We can't have the rest of the world become like this-- this is insanity.[/QUOTE] USA has a sizable Muslim Arab community that's mostly liberal and has integrated really well. The issue isn't Muslims, it's immigration laws and integration. Also lost causes? Lmao.
You europeans love sitting back and blaming everything on brown people. Both US and Canada are doing very well with immigrants and both have significant muslim immigrant populations. You know why? Because immigrants in NA are not treated as 2nd class citizens. You can't just let in a whole bunch of people and throw them in ghettos, don't make them feel accepted and included and don't mingle with them and expect them to magically integrate. I saw this first hand when me and 3 of my buddies backpacked through europe from Budapest to Amsterdam. One of my friends is a canadian born indian and you wouldn't believe the amount of dirty looks he got everywhere he went and we almost got into a fight in Stuttgart because some moron thought it would be funny to pour his beer on him 'by accident' while his friends were watching and laughing.
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;50675412]USA has a sizable Muslim Arab community that's mostly liberal and has integrated really well. The issue isn't Muslims, it's immigration laws and integration. Also lost causes? Lmao.[/QUOTE] You do realize that the USA Muslim/Arab community consists of barely any refugees, right? I didn't mention Muslims a single time. I mentioned refugees, which is an entirely different story. Middle-Easterners altogether generally have different cultures amongst them. Those from Syria are different than those from Lebanon, or Iran, or Iraq, etc. etc-- and are clearly causing problems in the countries that they're taking refuge. And yes, lost causes-- you're a fool if you think that ten years down the line, the entirety of the extremist population in Sweden and Germany are going to realize the wrongs of their ways and integrate into western culture the same way non-extremists do. The extremists that live in these countries, as well as the extremist culture that's taken roots here, will potentially stay for generations.
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;50675412] Also lost causes? Lmao.[/QUOTE] Haven't you heard? Birmingham is a no go zone: [video=youtube;-_zF7nbEvwY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_zF7nbEvwY[/video]
[QUOTE=aydin690;50675469]You europeans love sitting back and blaming everything on brown people. Both US and Canada are doing very well with immigrants and both have significant muslim immigrant populations. You know why? Because immigrants in NA are not treated as 2nd class citizens.[/QUOTE] "brown people". The problem is with foreign religious fundamentalists/essentially hillbillies. We give them practically everything for free, you don't have a problem because you only accept the best of the best/people who move to the country because they respect and agree with the principles of it, I.E the people the video talks about being harassed, while we take in everything. You don't like the western world and want to turn it into the same garbage you ran from? Then why did you even come here, fuck off I'd think the exact same way about a white american from the bible belt coming here wanting to convert someone/using violence in the name of christianity
[QUOTE=aydin690;50675469]You can't just let in a whole bunch of people and throw them in ghettos, don't make them feel accepted and included and don't mingle with them and expect them to magically integrate. [/QUOTE] Don't generalize Europeans please, I'm sure the majority is not racist lol You're definitely right though, at least about my country. For the past 50 years we let immigrants in but then proceeded to not really do much to help them integrate. We had a mentality of 'you mind your business, we'll mind ours', which resulted in the problematic situation we are currently experiencing. It's not like the European governments aren't trying to solve these problems though. Nobody here is blaming immigrants for these problems except our local Trump and his party. I think blaming immigrants and banning muslims or shit like that only makes these problems worse and divides people further. [editline]8th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Atlascore;50675489]What you just wrote is total bullshit. People here on Facepunch have no difficulty whatsoever discussing literally every other topic under the sun, I mean just to give an example one of the most frequently discussed issues on this site is guns and nobody here has any meaningful way of influencing gun control legislature anywhere.[/QUOTE] He talks about this like it's essential that we talk about this shit or something, when it really isn't, I mean we're on a gaming forum, we don't have the responsibilty of solving the problem So what people talk about gun control? They do that because they want to, it isn't because we have to or something How is not talking about a problem on here 'ignoring' the problem? Again, this is a gaming forum, just because people don't talk about it here doesn't mean the problem is ignored in general
[QUOTE=BioWaster;50675067]I guess FP finds this too uncomfortable to talk about. Would explain why this thread is so dead.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=TornadoAP;50675186]Can we please not do this? The reason no one wants to talk about it is that there is NOTHING to talk about. Immigrant neighborhoods in Sweden are shitholes, okay. I'm sure the majority of us saw this coming with what happened to France and Belgium when they got Muslim neighborhoods. What can we do about it? Fuck all. There's absolutely nothing to discuss here.[/QUOTE] I don't get it, how is there nothing to talk about pretending a problem doesn't exist doesn't make it go away. [editline]8th July 2016[/editline] I'm not sure what I can personally say on the topic but I know that it's a topic that needs to be talked about
part of the problem is concentration. Ive had experience with ethnic communities emigrating to concentrated neighborhoods from the same country or ethnic community in their new home, and that population can become so embroiled into its own isolationist safely conservative stench thats it promotes socially regressive behavior, and can easily perpetuate extremist junk that feeds on these fears. It also makes it hard for people to integrate. All such communities are not like this though. For a US example, the south indian communities in both beverton oregon and san jose california formed at around the same time, sometimes with families spanning both locations. However their sociopolitical climates and culture are much different, with beaverton in my opinion being better socially integrated among the old guard (first gen immigrants) with oregon's 'natives' than san jose. Stuff like the rajneeshi's legacy in the state played a massive part in this, and it sheds some light on what extent the potential implications for a community's future need to be to discourage this kind of closed off behavior. I would assume that being refugees or economic migrants would just magnify the problem, as conservative leanings would be strengthened. Its a failure of Swedish immigration policy and other monitors to not head the problem off before it reached this point, and it'll be one hell of a road ahead if these allegations reflect a general trend in sweden's middle eastern immigrant population. [QUOTE=Tudd;50675112]The forum is sometimes too left-leaning to have a talk about this issue.[/QUOTE] Many users who take right leaning stances are frowned upon for spouting rubbish, making things up, AGGRESSIVELY pushing their stances into various situations, etcetera. This earns the ire of the forum, and alot of them get banned for being unhinged or just plain cocks. And you wonder why the forum is left leaning in some cases? It happens with left leaning posters too, as recently as Killuah. The forum leans whichever way the people currently reading it are. Just look at conversation threads and their ratings by which individuals on which opinions at which times. I can complain off of your logic at how right leaning this forum is since many members dont share my opinions and point to threads like the december 2014 transgender suicide thread and various presidential election threads and their ratings over the past year. It would be lovely for my own personal bubble if it was true. It's not, and writing off the platform itself that you use as biased isn't an accurate grievance.
[QUOTE=Tudd;50675112]The forum is sometimes too left-leaning to have a talk about this issue.[/QUOTE] I watched the video earlier today and though about posting it. Then though exacly. Glad to see someone posted it.
[QUOTE=Aircraft;50676094]part of the problem is concentration. Ive had experience with ethnic communities emigrating to concentrated neighborhoods from the same country or ethnic community in their new home, and that population can become so embroiled into its own isolationist safely conservative stench thats it promotes socially regressive behavior, and can easily perpetuate extremist junk that feeds on these fears. It also makes it hard for people to integrate.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=soulharvester;49475597]It's not even that "immigration" is bad, it's that the way it's been handled is so ridiculously hands off that at this point Germany has virtually no way to control these groups peacefully anymore. They took in hundreds of thousands of young men from cultures where women are treated like absolute trash, grouped them up, and let them loose, what do you expect to happen? [b]This is completely contrary to what you want in immigration policy, it's practically anti-integration. What needed to happen is that these groups needed to be spread thin amongst the peoples of Germany so that they were forced to interact primarily with natives of Germany, the primary way you integrate groups of people is to make them challenge what they view as the norm, and over time they will accept something a lot closer to their host countries views of what is the norm. But this only works if they have to regularly interact with peoples of the host country who are willing to help them understand the values shared by that country.[/b] Do you think that's happening in that small village where Germany [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3302090/They-ll-living-500-month-benefits-Tensions-rise-German-village-migrants-soon-outnumber-locals-seven-one-batch-arrivals-moan-s-no-Playstation-s-boring.html]dumped about 7 times the number of refugees than the locals[/URL] living there? I don't. It looks to me like Germany is setting up a perfect storm of conflict and racial tensions. [b]The key to doing this successfully in my opinion is to always make sure that local populations vastly outnumber the new comers, it forces them to assimilate or seek assistance. When you don't do this, you end up with the ghettos that have been springing up all over Europe which become hot beds of easily convertible extremists.[/b][/QUOTE] The wording in the above is in context of a thread on German immigration specifically but the Bolded is applicable pretty much anywhere. Integration and or assimilation is clearly something that some European leaders don't seem to understand the importance of. We've had quite a few actually constructive threads on this topic for discussion though I mostly stopped participating because I'm honestly satisfied with the understanding I've come too on it.
[QUOTE=J!NX;50675853]I don't get it, how is there nothing to talk about pretending a problem doesn't exist doesn't make it go away. [/QUOTE] Left-leaning users getting incredibly angry at a video bringing up issues caused by left-wing policies without a clear way to handwave it as being propaganda or part of the right? Wonder why that is.
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