• How Wolfenstein II Censored Hitler In Germany (mild spoiler warning)
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The scene doesn't reveal any plot points but it's definitely supposed to be out-of-left-field. Don't watch if you want to go into the game blind. The thumbnail spoils it because CensoredGaming are idiots [video=youtube;kTQ1eBiRRRo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTQ1eBiRRRo[/video] [sp]personally I love the idea of Hitler being THE psychotic, paranoid, racist grandpa the Reich needs to keep around[/sp]
[sp]At least you can kick him to death in that scene.[/sp]
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;52832513][sp]At least you can kick him to death in that scene.[/sp][/QUOTE] Wait, you can ?
Imagine the conversations they had with the german government over this "You may have hitler in your game about nazis, as long as there's no swastikas, they don't call him Fuhrer, and most importantly of all, you remove his mustache." Also i find it kind of strange how they portrayed hitler in the game. The real guy was pathologically obsessed with order and purity. If he shot up everyone because they even slightly slipped up or were out of order, or out of general paranoia, that'd be a great exploration of who hitler was. But to have him lying on the floor, throwing up randomly, and shooting the last actor for literally no reason was just strange. The real hitler prided himself on his power of will, and could stand in one spot for eight hours during parades or other such events. And to portray him like they did was kinda baffling, and was a real lost opportunity, where they could've shown the sort of person who'd foist a totalitarian empire of fantastic and pathological order upon the world, but in his senile years after being at the helm of a cult of personality. And show the 'philosophical' roots of nazism, stemming from the increasing insanity of hitler himself. As opposed to "hey look at this crazy old tyrannical fuck in poor health".
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52832527]Imagine the conversations they had with the german government over this "You may have hitler in your game about nazis, as long as there's no swastikas, they don't call him Fuhrer, and most importantly of all, you remove his mustache." Also i find it kind of strange how they portrayed hitler in the game. The real guy was pathologically obsessed with order and purity. If he shot up everyone because they even slightly slipped up or were out of order, or out of general paranoia, that'd be a great exploration of who hitler was. But to have him lying on the floor, throwing up randomly, and shooting the last actor for literally no reason was just strange. The real hitler prided himself on his power of will, and could stand in one spot for eight hours during parades or other such events. And to portray him like they did was kinda baffling, and was a real lost opportunity of showing the sort of person who'd foist a totalitarian empire of fantastic and pathological order upon the world, but in his senile years after being at the helm of a cult of personality. As opposed to "hey look at this crazy old tyrannical fuck in poor health"[/QUOTE] The real Hitler was also a mentally deranged drug addict, if he reached old age I'm certain his brain would've been totally fried
[QUOTE=Araknid;52832534]The real Hitler was also a mentally deranged drug addict, if he reached old age I'm certain his brain would've been totally fried[/QUOTE] certainly, my point wasn't that he's crazy and senile, but that as he got crazier and senile his personality would get more unstable and extreme, but it would still be the same personality, growing ever more extreme. And that as he was presented here, that crazyness isn't really a reflection of hitler, and giving a more accurate portrayal would've been a useful and interesting storytelling device as opposed to just saying "hey it turns out hilter was a bit of a crazy jerk. who knew?"
Personally I found the idea that Hitler turned out to be a nearly senile, ill, old man to be pretty funny. That and I thought they might pull the "he died years ago but everyone is pretending he's still alive for propaganda reasons" so him actually being in the game was neat.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52832527]Imagine the conversations they had with the german government over this "You may have hitler in your game about nazis, as long as there's no swastikas, they don't call him Fuhrer, and most importantly of all, you remove his mustache." Also i find it kind of strange how they portrayed hitler in the game. The real guy was pathologically obsessed with order and purity. If he shot up everyone because they even slightly slipped up or were out of order, or out of general paranoia, that'd be a great exploration of who hitler was. But to have him lying on the floor, throwing up randomly, and shooting the last actor for literally no reason was just strange. The real hitler prided himself on his power of will, and could stand in one spot for eight hours during parades or other such events. And to portray him like they did was kinda baffling, and was a real lost opportunity, where they could've shown the sort of person who'd foist a totalitarian empire of fantastic and pathological order upon the world, but in his senile years after being at the helm of a cult of personality. And show the 'philosophical' roots of nazism, stemming from the increasing insanity of hitler himself. As opposed to "hey look at this crazy old tyrannical fuck in poor health".[/QUOTE] Dudes pushing 70, was likely years into a drug addiction he had in real life
[img]https://i.imgur.com/asJqvJO.png[/img] Should've done what persona did
Let's censor anything related to NSDAP, Holocaust and Hitler, but keep the brutality of the said regime. Why censor it If it is so obvious in the first place, who that is?
German censorship laws are staggeringly stupid. You would think a clearly negative portrayal of Nazis and Hitler would be acceptable but nooo.
I get why you might not want to be associated with a nation such as Nazi Germany, but the fact that they [I]still[/I] censor anything related to them is fucking stupid.
Fuck, I didn't even know Hitler was alive in this one. I thought it followed the events of the original Wolfenstein where you killed Mecha-hitler and the Nazi party just continued with the regime anyways.
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;52832888]Fuck, I didn't even know Hitler was alive in this one. I thought it followed the events of the original Wolfenstein where you killed Mecha-hitler and the Nazi party just continued with the regime anyways.[/QUOTE] He supposedly survived that attack.
[QUOTE=download;52832869]German censorship laws are staggeringly stupid. You would think a clearly negative portrayal of Nazis and Hitler would be acceptable but nooo.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=aussiedropbear;52832880]I understand why you might not want to be associated with a nation such as Nazi Germany, but the fact that they [i]still[/i] censor anything related to Nazi Germany is fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] I think there's a video on this somewhere, but it basically boils down to publishers not having tried again recently. The law itself isn't about association with these symbols but their misuse. Essentially, we don't want people going around flying nazi flags and stuff. There's a fairly large exception to the rule that says you can still use them in various ways where they're contextualised, for example in art. The problem is that there's an old (think no proper 3D graphics) court decision that denies this status to video games. It's likely that, if someone actually (sensibly) tried to challenge the ruling, the new decision would be that the game in question would qualify and that it wouldn't have to be censored here except for extreme violence.
[QUOTE=Mifil;52832909]He supposedly survived that attack.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i.cubeupload.com/W1ZpAK.gif[/IMG] Fucking how?
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;52832916][IMG]http://i.cubeupload.com/W1ZpAK.gif[/IMG] Fucking how?[/QUOTE] I would also like to know how he survived. But from what I'm getting the timelines are connected one way or another. Some of the events from CotW happened in New Order timeline, but the death of Helga von Schabbs was completely different. It's probably that in NO timeline Hitler just survived it. Or I'm completely wrong on that one.
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;52832916][IMG]http://i.cubeupload.com/W1ZpAK.gif[/IMG] Fucking how?[/QUOTE] IIRC TOB implied they used some occult shit in order to revive him, though he didn't come back entirely well. This was before the Nazis decided messing with the occult wasn't working out that well for them, and so they subsequently switched gears to fully backing Deathshead's work (and you can see how well that turned out for them).
[QUOTE=Mifil;52832859]Let's censor anything related to NSDAP, Holocaust and Hitler, but keep the brutality of the said regime. Why censor it If it is so obvious in the first place, who that is?[/QUOTE] Set into place by allied denazification, and video games still aren't considered artistic (because art can get away with it iirc.) [QUOTE=Araknid;52832534]The real Hitler was also a mentally deranged drug addict, if he reached old age I'm certain his brain would've been totally fried[/QUOTE] Him surviving even a few years after 1945 would have been a downright miracle, his body was basically falling apart near the end of the war.
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;52832916][IMG]http://i.cubeupload.com/W1ZpAK.gif[/IMG] Fucking how?[/QUOTE] The events depicted in the early games are canon but only broadly. [I]This[/I] is how the events are apparently canon precisely: [video=youtube;Sn8cePe-qgI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn8cePe-qgI[/video] See at [U]3:40[/U] for Hitler's death.
I won't get to play W2 on a PC like mine anytime soon, but I'm loving these cutscenes. They're so full of charm, top notch stuff
Fairly sure that the The New Order is only cherry picking individual parts of backstory from previous games without declaring them entirely canon. The Old Blood had a piece of lore saying that the Wolfenstein assassin was captured and executed.
[QUOTE=aussiedropbear;52832880]I get why you might not want to be associated with a nation such as Nazi Germany, but the fact that they [I]still[/I] censor anything related to them is fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] Actually this was all Bethesdas call. It's not that they HAD to go this route all the way. I think just getting rid of the swastikas would have been enough.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52832527]Imagine the conversations they had with the german government over this "You may have hitler in your game about nazis, as long as there's no swastikas, they don't call him Fuhrer, and most importantly of all, you remove his mustache." Also i find it kind of strange how they portrayed hitler in the game. The real guy was pathologically obsessed with order and purity. If he shot up everyone because they even slightly slipped up or were out of order, or out of general paranoia, that'd be a great exploration of who hitler was. But to have him lying on the floor, throwing up randomly, and shooting the last actor for literally no reason was just strange. The real hitler prided himself on his power of will, and could stand in one spot for eight hours during parades or other such events. And to portray him like they did was kinda baffling, and was a real lost opportunity, where they could've shown the sort of person who'd foist a totalitarian empire of fantastic and pathological order upon the world, but in his senile years after being at the helm of a cult of personality. And show the 'philosophical' roots of nazism, stemming from the increasing insanity of hitler himself. As opposed to "hey look at this crazy old tyrannical fuck in poor health".[/QUOTE] Well this is Hitler's world now, he conquered it all, he can do literally whatever the fuck he pleases and that's what the pissing and vomiting and shooting whoever he wanted whenever he wanted for whatever reason was meant to portray, anyone Hitler doesn't like for whatever reason clearly isn't fit to live in his world any more, it's his world, he knows it and he's gonna act like it.
[QUOTE=ReligiousNutjob;52833352]Fairly sure that the The New Order is only cherry picking individual parts of backstory from previous games without declaring them entirely canon. The Old Blood had a piece of lore saying that the Wolfenstein assassin was captured and executed.[/QUOTE] This here.
should've gone in the opposite direction, like captain planet [img]https://90stimemachine.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/7.png[/img]
[QUOTE=ReligiousNutjob;52833352]The Old Blood had a piece of lore saying that the Wolfenstein assassin was captured and executed.[/QUOTE]this, of course, is dubious and could be just nazi propaganda to cover up the fact that he escaped
[QUOTE=Joazzz;52833471]this, of course, is dubious and could be just nazi propaganda to cover up the fact that he escaped[/QUOTE] The game also implies it was his first visit to the Castle, and BJ never says anything to suggest it isn't. [editline]29th October 2017[/editline] The Old Blood is essentially a retelling of RTCW
2009 happens for sure, yet TNO retcons that games backstory, so who the fuck knows anymore. One of the upcoming DLCs is apparently a sequel to 2009’s plot so what even the shit
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