• Tom Scott - Faceswapping, Unethical Videos, and Future Shock
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[video=youtube;OCLaeBAkFAY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCLaeBAkFAY[/video]
Scary shit, reality's slowly turning into a Black Mirror episode
"if you want to find someone with a fast computer and no sense of empathy you of course go to reddit" zing
Thanks AI.
It's pretty scary stuff. Given enough time everyone is going to figure out and come to terms with that video evidence can be convincingly faked, but it's going to take a while. We're still struggling to cope with fake news and social media manipulation, this is going to make matters even worse.
Seems pretty melodramatic to me, this basically means videos can no longer be used as a reliable source. We managed to adjust to easily-doctored photos just fine, I hardly imagine video will be different
[QUOTE=Maeber;53110285]Seems pretty melodramatic to me, this basically means videos can no longer be used as a reliable source. We managed to adjust to easily-doctored photos just fine, I hardly imagine video will be different[/QUOTE] We never adjusted from easily doctored photos? The normal person usually takes images and videos as gospel, just look at Captain Disillusion.
Can't help but think of GiTS's Laughing Man hack. But on a more serious note, legislators need to be brought more up to date. The gap between legislation and technological advancement has only been growing wider as years pass. This can be an incriminating tool if someone is unethical enough, framing someone could become much easier. And with more and more cameras being connected to the net with little to no security, anyone with enough time, some searching on shodan.io and a few MiTM attacks could frame someone in a crime. Its not a question of if it'll happen, but a question of when. We have to be proactive to this kind of tech, not reactive.
GOLDEN SHOWER TAPES WHEN
[QUOTE=SunsetTable;53110292]We never adjusted from easily doctored photos? The normal person usually takes images and videos as gospel, just look at Captain Disillusion.[/QUOTE] Right, we have so many careers that are focused entirely on the identification and explanation of faked images, very good fakes have almost certainly caused trouble in legal proceedings and will continue to do so. We're not ready for this at an expert level where people will have the training for it, we're sure as shit not ready for it at the everyman level where taking videos at face value is the assumed safe choice.
How sensationalist, these issues all exist in the photographic medium and people don't complain. All it's meant is that people had to get used to being critical of photo's and being able to judge with relative certainty whether its been shopped. As it is, videos are already manipulated, and this process takes a very long time to do automatically.
[QUOTE=Karmah;53110700]How sensationalist, these issues all exist in the photographic medium and people don't complain. All it's meant is that people had to get used to being critical of photo's and being able to judge with relative certainty whether its been shopped. As it is, videos are already manipulated, and this process takes a very long time to do automatically.[/QUOTE] true but the point is that this technology is becoming more widespread & accessible which means the likelihood of someone doing something dangerous with it increases
[QUOTE=hexpunK;53110656]Right, we have so many careers that are focused entirely on the identification and explanation of faked images, very good fakes have almost certainly caused trouble in legal proceedings and will continue to do so. We're not ready for this at an expert level where people will have the training for it, we're sure as shit not ready for it at the everyman level where taking videos at face value is the assumed safe choice.[/QUOTE] My point is that even now, after nearly a century of knowing that we can doctor images, people still take images at face value. The normal average person does, not internet sleuths who think they're hot shit. I'm not talking about legal proceedings you fuckin' ninny. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Rude" - Mezzokoko))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;53110277]It's pretty scary stuff. Given enough time everyone is going to figure out and come to terms with that video evidence can be convincingly faked, but it's going to take a while. We're still struggling to cope with fake news and social media manipulation, this is going to make matters even worse.[/QUOTE] Captain Disillusion will save us.
[QUOTE=REMBER;53111769]Captain Disillusion will save us.[/QUOTE] You made me imagine a world where the people turn to a guy who has a half chrome face to find out if something is real or not.
[QUOTE=TectoImprov;53111785]You made me imagine a world where the people turn to a guy who has a half chrome face to find out if something is real or not.[/QUOTE] why would you imagine the real world
I wonder how well this would work with replacing Alden Ehrenreich face with a young version of Harrison Ford in the new Han Solo movie.
Those porn swaps look quite real.
[QUOTE=Karmah;53110700]How sensationalist, these issues all exist in the photographic medium and people don't complain. All it's meant is that people had to get used to being critical of photo's and being able to judge with relative certainty whether its been shopped. As it is, videos are already manipulated, and this process takes a very long time to do automatically.[/QUOTE] It really isn't. Videos contain so much more content than a still image. An image offers ambiguity that videos don't. If you've seen Adobe's "Photoshop for voice" demo, neural nets are able to now synthesize new audio based off a human voice. They will only get better. Video is almost already there in terms of taking footage and masking in new faces and other features or semantically editing prerecorded footage, so you can expect within the next 5 years that any rando on the internet can almost imperceptibly edit you or anyone into a video. Not only that, but seriously, you probably don't understand the magnitude of what's possible. We're getting to the point that neural nets can take in a solid color bitmap and generate high quality temporally coherent visuals: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhH2Cc4thJw[/media] And this is getting near realtime already. Once better generator and discriminator bots are inevitably created, ones that can understand the 3D volume, surface, and light structures of a scene, you'll be able to synthesize totally realistic scenes for anything you desire.
[QUOTE=SunsetTable;53111461]My point is that even now, after nearly a century of knowing that we can doctor images, people still take images at face value. The normal average person does, not internet sleuths who think they're hot shit. I'm not talking about legal proceedings [b] you fuckin' ninny[/b] .[/QUOTE] Reel it in a bit you loose cannon. I was agreeing with you. Just pointing out that actual professionals still struggle to identify good shops sometimes, so what hope does the layman have?
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