Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald Teaser Trailer
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[video]https://youtu.be/DOUjpgeqKzI[/video]
While I may not be the biggest fan of the series, nor have I followed Harry Potter much since the originals, I do like the fact that they seem to be using Fantastic Beasts to branch out and explore more than just America.
Jude Law as a young Dumbledore is a great casting choice. My interest is peaked.
Dumbledore went from being an ultra classy business man looking dude in a suit and gradually transformed into a stereotypical ancient wizard appearance as he got older?
Lots of other people being in business suits as well compared to the much later harry potter era.
How can this be explained?
Did the wizards have some kind of a massive falling out with the muggle world and decided to intentionally make a fashion statement or something?
Are wizards just trolling themselves by pretending to be double wizards?
[QUOTE=genkaz92;53198740]Dumbledore went from being an ultra classy business man looking dude in a suit and gradually transformed into a stereotypical ancient wizard appearance as he got older?
Lots of other people being in business suits as well compared to the much later harry potter era.
How can this be explained?
Did the wizards have some kind of a massive falling out with the muggle world and decided to intentionally make a fashion statement or something?
Are wizards just trolling themselves by pretending to be double wizards?[/QUOTE]
Well, there were some (I think) big events in his life that led to his eventual departure from the muggle world and into old man wizard.
yes that is johnny depp
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oh it says it in the fucking video title
[QUOTE=meppers;53198758]yes that is johnny depp
[editline]13th March 2018[/editline]
oh it says it in the fucking video title[/QUOTE]
He was in the first movie, and they were never going to recast him after the accusations
[QUOTE=ThePanther;53198720]Jude Law as a young Dumbledore is a great casting choice. My interest is peaked.[/QUOTE]
piqued
[QUOTE=genkaz92;53198740][B]Dumbledore went from being an ultra classy business man looking dude in a suit and gradually transformed into a stereotypical ancient wizard appearance as he got older?
Lots of other people being in business suits as well compared to the much later harry potter era.
How can this be explained?[/B]
Did the wizards have some kind of a massive falling out with the muggle world and decided to intentionally make a fashion statement or something?
Are wizards just trolling themselves by pretending to be double wizards?[/QUOTE]
Truly it was Grindewald’s greatest crime
I really have a hard time taking harry potter seriously when it tries to be dark and edgy.
[QUOTE=genkaz92;53198740]Dumbledore went from being an ultra classy business man looking dude in a suit and gradually transformed into a stereotypical ancient wizard appearance as he got older? [/QUOTE]
Harry Potter book spoilers (and potential FB movie 4 and 5 spoilers): [sp]Dumbledore went into alliance with Grindelwald and was a racist towards muggles. They both went onto a quest for power but Dumbledore learned that it's not a path for him and tried to separate himself from Grindelwald. Their ultimate showdown (which will be the finale of movie 5) resulted in the death of Dumbledore's dearest family member (a character that I think will 100% introduced in a sequel of FB). Afterwards Dumbledore was never the same again. And later the stuff with Voldemort happened, so yeah, he changes in those 80 years a lot. [/sp]
[QUOTE=genkaz92;53198740]
Lots of other people being in business suits as well compared to the much later harry potter era.
How can this be explained?
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Uhh, the FB movies play 80 years before the events of Harry Potter. And just like how it's a different time, everybody is dressed differently and accordingly for that time period. It's not rocket science.
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New York in its 20s.
[QUOTE=Oizen;53198786]I really have a hard time taking harry potter seriously when it tries to be dark and edgy.[/QUOTE]
The first movie is still kind of the best for this reason. It didn't try to be overly dark and brooding and it felt like an actual fairy tale.
A rather paradoxical criticism about the harry potter books/movies is that they don't really feel all that magical, even though they take place in a world of wizards. There is not enough atmospheric awe in them.
[QUOTE=SuperLoz;53198768]piqued[/QUOTE]
ok what are you, some kinda poet over here?
[QUOTE=Antimuffin;53198805]Harry Potter book spoilers
Uhh, the FB movies play 80 years before the events of Harry Potter. And just like how it's a different time, everybody is dressed differently and accordingly for that time period. It's not rocket science.
New York in its 20s.[/QUOTE]
It's still somewhat of a mindfuck because we go from a wizard universe that actively implements muggle fashion styles and then have a weird ass isolationism situation it seems, surprisingly across the board given that certain wizards constantly came face to face with muggles. I am willing to bed that quite a few middle aged wizards during potter's time would not mind wearing a simple muggle polo shirt for contrast, unless there was some kind of irrational prejudice towards that.
The third movie did the transition from lighthearted to rather serious and dark quite well and built the foundation for the later movies.
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A rather paradoxical criticism about the harry potter books/movies is that they don't really feel all that magical, even though they take place in a world of wizards. [B]There is not enough atmospheric awe in them.[/B][/QUOTE]
Huh? First time reading this. The amount of detail they did for the movies was amazing and pretty much gave you a feel for it. Levitating candles, newspapers with pictures moving, etc. The books are a different medium but even there Rowling did it quite well to show off the world.
[QUOTE=Butthurter;53198813]hes talking about how the wizarding world dresses compared to the harry potter era where everyones wearing robes[/QUOTE]
Alright, but the explanation should still work. Different times, different society and rules.
[QUOTE=Antimuffin;53198816]The third movie did the transition from lighthearted to rather serious and dark quite well and built the foundation for the later movies.
Huh? First time reading this. The amount of detail they did for the movies was amazing and pretty much gave you a feel for it. Levitating candles, newspapers with pictures moving, etc. The books are a different medium but even there Rowling did it quite well to show off the world.[/QUOTE]
They needed to have a more developed jawrdopping mindfuck element in them. The floating candles and the moving pictures were nice but both of those things still feel surprisingly practical and grounded. There were not enough wide open fields filled with wisps or massive golems, or various rationality defying elements.
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[QUOTE=Antimuffin;53198816]
Alright, but the explanation should still work. Different times, different society and rules.[/QUOTE]
Would Dumbledore honestly give a shit about different times or different society or rules? A wizard whose entire nature inherently consists of being timeless and treating rules as only mildly important at best?
That's some weird expectations that you have there in relation to Harry Potter. Why the hell should they (or why do you expect them to) have that kind of stuff in their world. One of the priorities in the books (and movies) is to have all that stuff (the magical creatures) being locked away from sight of humans, especially muggles. They don't let them roam around.
This isn't Lord of the Rings that plays in a medieval-like fantasy world. Harry Potter is supposed to feel grounded from the get go. The first book itself begins in an alternate reality of the 90s and opens with a "normal" family, as Harry discovers that he is a wizard. The whole point of the world is that you don't have golems roaming around in open fields. There are creatures like dragons, giant spiders, etc. but they are meant to be very rare.
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Would Dumbledore honestly give a shit about different times or different society or rules? A wizard whose entire nature inherently consists of being timeless and treating rules as only mildly important at best?[/QUOTE]
We only know Dumbledore from the HP books as he is introduced as an old and wise wizard and only learn more about him after his death and that he had a very troubling past (as written in the spoilers) . Why would you expect him to be exactly like in HP 80 years earlier.
This conversation just makes me wonder what old Dumbledore would look like in a suit.
I like Newt Scamander, and I like the Dumbledore-Grindelwald story. But I have to say, I'm sceptic about telling Newt Scamander [I]"I can't move against Grindelwald, it has to be you"[/I]. Like, what the fuck? Isn't he just a friendly animal-lover who wrote a magizoology book? The fuck business does he have taking on Grindelwald?
[QUOTE=Antimuffin;53198836]That's some weird expectations that you have there in relation to Harry Potter. Why the hell should they (or why do you expect them to) have that kind of stuff in their world. One of the priorities in the books (and movies) is to have all that stuff (the magical creatures) being locked away from sight of humans, especially muggles. They don't let them roam around.
This isn't Lord of the Rings that plays in a medieval-like fantasy world. Harry Potter is supposed to feel grounded from the get go. The first book itself begins in an alternate reality of the 90s and opens with a "normal" family, as Harry discovers that he is a wizard. The whole point of the world is that you don't have golems roaming around in open fields. There are creatures like dragons, giant spiders, etc. but they are meant to be very rare.
We only know Dumbledore from the HP books as he is introduced as an old and wise wizard and only learn more about him after his death and that he had a very troubling past (as written in the spoilers) . Why would you expect him to be exactly like in HP 80 years earlier.[/QUOTE]
I don't expect him to be exactly the same as his old self, however character wise he always created the impression of being a highly rebellious and independent individual in terms of the status quo, as also demonstrated in the teaser a little bit.
I do not believe that they are weird expectations and I think that the harry potter universe could use some more splashes of high fantasy in places. It does not have to be literally like a dragon all the time, it could also be a series of smaller events.
As well as elements of magical surrealism/ reality defying occurrences.
the worldbuilding in Harry Potter is inherently broken for several reasons that you just can't fix at this point, however they're very fun and god I love wizards and magic and all that.
I didn't particularly like the first one of this spinoff series thing, side characters were likeable, but the protagonist was extremely boring and underdeveloped, I like him and he's sweet but really stagnant so far, and a lot of it was "look at this cgi creature! isn't it cool???" rather than having any substance. That being said I can see the next ones being better, and I like that it explores other countries in the setting, that's pretty neat to see.
Well it's Harry Potter related so i'll watch it. Last movie was perhaps a bit forgettable but i still enjoyed it.
There really is just something special about the wizarding world.
[QUOTE=Ryuken;53198871]the worldbuilding in Harry Potter is inherently broken for several reasons that you just can't fix at this point, however they're very fun and god I love wizards and magic and all that.
I didn't particularly like the first one of this spinoff series thing, side characters were likeable, but the protagonist was extremely boring and underdeveloped, I like him and he's sweet but really stagnant so far, and a lot of it was "look at this cgi creature! isn't it cool???" rather than having any substance. That being said I can see the next ones being better, and I like that it explores other countries in the setting, that's pretty neat to see.[/QUOTE]
It's kind of difficult to pull off the whole magic during the early industrial revolution aesthetic without it being boring as fuck for some reason, it's a really hard clash.
[QUOTE=genkaz92;53198740]Dumbledore went from being an ultra classy business man looking dude in a suit and gradually transformed into a stereotypical ancient wizard appearance as he got older?
Lots of other people being in business suits as well compared to the much later harry potter era.
How can this be explained?
Did the wizards have some kind of a massive falling out with the muggle world and decided to intentionally make a fashion statement or something?
Are wizards just trolling themselves by pretending to be double wizards?[/QUOTE]
I googled some HP stills because I didn't quite remember the clothes anymore and apart from school uniforms and festive occasions, people seem to be wearing normal clothing?
[quote][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vbYYdLCfrg[/url][/quote]
Looks a bit old fashioned, yeah, but then again they DO live in sort of a parallel world
The fundamental question still remains why dumbledore changed styles in such a baffling counter intuitive way.
This can be visible with other older wizards as well.
Who goes from business suits to medieval robes? what the fuck happened?
And we are still seeing that the majority of people are wearing older fashioned clothing than the one demonstrated in Fantastic Beasts.
maybe the joke with Grindewald casting an older fashionification spell on the entirety of the wizarding world was accurate afterall, although labeling that as malevolent is not necessarily as correct as labeling it as a really elaborate practical joke.
[QUOTE=genkaz92;53198812]It's still somewhat of a mindfuck because we go from a wizard universe that actively implements muggle fashion styles and then have a weird ass isolationism situation it seems[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=genkaz92;53198740]Dumbledore went from being an ultra classy business man looking dude in a suit and gradually transformed into a stereotypical ancient wizard appearance as he got older?
How can this be explained? [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=genkaz92;53198989]The fundamental question still remains why dumbledore changed styles in such a baffling counter intuitive way. [/QUOTE]
Because its a movie and movies do things for reasons
i swear to god, for a moment i heard Avengers theme at 1:44 and got spooked
[QUOTE=Lambeth;53198840]This conversation just makes me wonder what old Dumbledore would look like in a suit.[/QUOTE]
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In the HP series he does
The Dude in the 70's basically.
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