A few days ago they released a cell phone video of the[URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1503343"] shoot out that occurred on the 27th[/URL] of Jan from inside the vehicle of LaVoy Finicum (The guy who was killed).
[video=youtube;eEswP_HSFV4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEswP_HSFV4[/video]
Idiots. Also, sorry to everyone that I couldn't come up with a more clever title.
[B]Aerial view:[/B]
[video=youtube;gjl1hefqqWI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjl1hefqqWI[/video]
Why were the cops still shooting after LaVoy was killed?
this is surreal
how does someone get this crazy?
[URL="https://truthpills.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/without-prejudice-ucc-1207-1-308/"]A reminder that this is what Sovereign Citizens actually believe.[/URL]
Sov Cit, not even once. Try meth instead, it's less bad for you.
[QUOTE=Ricool06;49951165]Why were the cops still shooting after LaVoy was killed?[/QUOTE]
They probably shot the car because they expected another gunman.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49951201][URL="https://truthpills.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/without-prejudice-ucc-1207-1-308/"]A reminder that this is what Sovereign Citizens actually believe.[/URL]
Sov Cit, not even once. Try meth instead, it's less bad for you.[/QUOTE]
Correct, these are the kinds of people who kill cops over a routine traffic stop for no real reason, self entitled dip shits who think the law does not apply to them.
I'm confused...why was he shot? He looked like he had both hands up.
[QUOTE=ShadowSocks8;49951262]I'm confused...why was he shot? He looked like he had both hands up.[/QUOTE]
He went for the loaded handgun inside his jacket.
If you have cops pointing guns at you, you don't reach into your jacket without very clearly telling them what you intend on doing (like getting out your wallet when demanded to provide identification, if that's where it was) and getting permission. He went ahead and did it; LaVoy had also been making public statements about his intentions to suicide by cop for a couple weeks.
Added the Aerial footage of the same video so you guys can see what's going on better.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49951275]He went for the loaded handgun inside his jacket.
If you have cops pointing guns at you, you don't reach into your jacket without very clearly telling them what you intend on doing (like getting out your wallet when demanded to provide identification, if that's where it was) and getting permission. He went ahead and did it; LaVoy had also been making public statements about his intentions to suicide by cop for a couple weeks.[/QUOTE]
my mistake, didnt see his other hand
what a psycho
He was literally asking for it.
[QUOTE=Ricool06;49951165]Why were the cops still shooting after LaVoy was killed?[/QUOTE]
If I recall they threw 3 or 4 flashbangs after the shooting, those weren't gunshots. They did put quite a number into him, though, and it was justified as shit
[QUOTE=ShadowSocks8;49951278]my mistake, didnt see his other hand
what a psycho[/QUOTE]
It's also worth noting that this shootout occurred [B]after[/B] LaVoy fled a police roadblock. At this point he's already tried running from the cops and ended up driving off the road, so he's already got the cops thinking he's crazy dangerous and they know he's armed.
Or, in other words,
[QUOTE=Buck.;49951335]He was literally asking for it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ricool06;49951165]Why were the cops still shooting after LaVoy was killed?[/QUOTE]
LaVoy Finicum brought it on himself but yeah, they got a little trigger happy shooting up the windows. Then again, all things considered I can understand why they had their fingers close to the trigger.
Gets fired upon a few times before even leaving the vehicle, attempts to walk out with his hands up and is still fired upon, gee I fucking wonder why he tried pulling a gun.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;49951440]Gets fired upon a few times before even leaving the vehicle, attempts to walk out with his hands up and is still fired upon, gee I fucking wonder why he tried pulling a gun.[/QUOTE]
if you're shooting at a vehicle and the person hops out it's safe to assume they're trying to retalliate
if you're being shot at while in a vehicle and you hop out it's safe to assume you're about to die
that helicopter cameras is insane, wow
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;49951440]Gets fired upon a few times before even leaving the vehicle, attempts to walk out with his hands up and is still fired upon, gee I fucking wonder why he tried pulling a gun.[/QUOTE]
"just shoot me, go ahead put a bullet through me", shouts the suicidal armed man who just drove past a roadblock
but without creating this fucked up hero fantasy in your head you wouldn't be able to blame the big bad government, would you
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;49951440]Gets fired upon a few times before even leaving the vehicle, attempts to walk out with his hands up and is still fired upon, gee I fucking wonder why he tried pulling a gun.[/QUOTE]
He literally said "you're gonna have to shoot me" as he left the vehicle. He wasn't going to give them a choice and they knew it from the beginning. I can't blame them for gunning him down - LaVoy was a madman.
I wonder if the other occupants had any idea he was going to put them in this situation. That's fucking terrifying.
If you want to try to live out your bullshit cowboy fantasy, you could at least not do it with a car full of people. What a cunt.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49951536]"just shoot me, go ahead put a bullet through me", shouts the suicidal armed man who just drove past a roadblock
but without creating this fucked up hero fantasy in your head you wouldn't be able to blame the big bad government, would you[/QUOTE]
Geez calm the fuck down.
Considering numerous other cases of suicidal and armed have been handled with no casualties, yeah I kinda will blame both parties on this one. Lavoy for being a fucking idiot as per usual, but also go, "What is protocol" when trying to defuse a situation.
Also if you really wanna get picky, I'm not advocating any hero fantasy. I'm advocating preventive measures, and have been doing so since the start of the whole ordeal by stating it'd be easier to simply just wait them out and arrest them when they leave the areas, either weeks or months down the road.
And hey guess what, [url=http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/03/another_man_arrested_in_cliven.html]that works pretty damn well when put into actual practice.[/url] So yes, please.... Enlighten me how anything I have advocated makes me a big evil man from the militia movement.
What you've been doing is vilifying the government, drawing unwarranted Waco comparisons and whining endlessly over an operation that went almost as well as it could possibly have, which you're now condemning because it didn't go [I]perfectly[/I]. Just because there have been situations like these that were defused before doesn't make it the FBI's fault that the one created by this volatile wreck of a man wasn't one of them
God damn all those militants and soverign citizens alike need to be thrown in a mental asylum.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;49951440]Gets fired upon a few times before even leaving the vehicle, attempts to walk out with his hands up and is still fired upon, gee I fucking wonder why he tried pulling a gun.[/QUOTE]
Lavoy was a terrorist and died like a terrorist, stop trying to make the big meen gubbermint :(((( out to be the bad guys here
The guy who just shouted that they would have to shoot him (after doing a number of insane things) for some reason stops keeping his hands up and starts reaching into his jacket. I don't blame anyone for pulling the trigger.
can someone give context?
Like I know the base situation on what happened in Oregon, but why was this guy driving through what in his car? Did he plan on simply leaving without getting prosecuted?
[QUOTE=General J;49953366]can someone give context?
Like I know the base situation on what happened in Oregon, but why was this guy driving through what in his car? Did he plan on simply leaving without getting prosecuted?[/QUOTE]
He was determined not to be taken alive; that means running, or (after you drive off the road and doof it into a snowbank) going out with FBI bullets in you.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;49952314]Geez calm the fuck down.
Considering numerous other cases of suicidal and armed have been handled with no casualties, yeah I kinda will blame both parties on this one. Lavoy for being a fucking idiot as per usual, but also go, "What is protocol" when trying to defuse a situation.
Also if you really wanna get picky, I'm not advocating any hero fantasy. I'm advocating preventive measures, and have been doing so since the start of the whole ordeal by stating it'd be easier to simply just wait them out and arrest them when they leave the areas, either weeks or months down the road.
And hey guess what, [url=http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/03/another_man_arrested_in_cliven.html]that works pretty damn well when put into actual practice.[/url] So yes, please.... Enlighten me how anything I have advocated makes me a big evil man from the militia movement.[/QUOTE]
i get what you're saying, and i completely agree; there have been too many incidents as of late where law enforcement escalate the situation into oblivion and one(or more) people get killed. however, this is not one of those situations.
if you google "LaVoy Finicum", you can see his statements and his outright rejection of US law enforcement. the officers here were more than likely briefed and aware of his standing -- additionally, LaVoy was a rancher with a known history regarding firearms. There was an extremely high chance he would be armed during the confrontation(and they were right -- a loaded handgun was found in his coat pocket).
It would be outrageous for law enforcement to let this guy run free and be a fugitive for god knows how long. They would have followed him to wherever he would have gotten off, and there would have probably been a confrontation anyways.
Obviously the events leading up and to his fleeing of the blockade could probably have been defused, but once he fled off in that truck, he was pretty much aiming to martyr himself.
That's fucking terrifying. They have no idea what's a flashbang, what's a less-lethal round trying to break the window, what's a ricochet, and what's a live round with "to whom it may concern" on it. Piled on top of the fact someone they obviously know just died a few yards from them.
Stuff like this drives it home that we are all human, no matter how brainwashed, fanatical, crazy, or anything else. I think that's important, perhaps especially in a justified shoot or use of force situation.
As soon as LaVoy was shot, the passengers in the car switched immediately from "we make a stand" to "how do we survive this?"
[QUOTE=Carnotite;49953591]That's fucking terrifying. They have no idea what's a flashbang, what's a less-lethal round trying to break the window, what's a ricochet, and what's a live round with "to whom it may concern" on it. Piled on top of the fact someone they obviously know just died a few yards from them.
Stuff like this drives it home that we are all human, no matter how brainwashed, fanatical, crazy, or anything else. I think that's important, perhaps especially in a justified shoot or use of force situation.[/QUOTE]
Depends on the ideology. If a person belongs to an ideology that doesn't believe death is an end, they can very easily get past the barrier of not wanting to die. LaVoy is an example of this, but the kids in the car were obviously not
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