[QUOTE=NOD Engineer;46909603]It's easy to be brave behind a monitor[/QUOTE]
Just watch the whole thing, I didn't post it because I liked the voice. It presents a lot more information that other videos about this kind of thing.
[QUOTE=Zyler;46909651]Just watch the whole thing, I didn't post it because I liked the voice. It presents a lot more information that other videos about this kind of thing.[/QUOTE]
I did, I meant it for the keyboard warriors
That's the difference between GamerGate and anti-GamerGate. When they do it, they're proud of it, using their main (sometimes verified) accounts with real name/photo attached. When "GamerGate" does something stupid, it's coming from some guy that joined that day with 2 followers.
[QUOTE=Korova;46909708]That's the difference between GamerGate and anti-GamerGate. When they do it, they're proud of it, using their main (sometimes verified) accounts with real name/photo attached. When "GamerGate" does something stupid, it's coming from some guy that joined that day with 2 followers.[/QUOTE]
Well there was Kingofpol and InternetAristocrat but they lost most of their support very quickly after they did something stupid. The same can't be said for the other side, though.
[QUOTE=Aredbomb;46909738]Well there was Kingofpol and InternetAristocrat but they lost most of their support very quickly after they did something stupid. The same can't be said for the other side, though.[/QUOTE]
Gamergate may have started with some not so great figures, but that was because most people were willing to take what they could get. But much more positive figures have rose up since then, and it's really something else to see what they accomplish. All of the weekly streams and such, the discussions, the support.
Looks like most of those tweets are jumping on the bandwagon to get some attention.
How people can think this shit is beyond my scope of understanding.
Faith in humanity just jumped to yet another low point.
"If gamer is a race, then it's time for another holocaust"
what the fuck goes through these people's heads when they make these kinds of posts
seriously
[QUOTE=Lorr;46909761]"If gamer is a race, then it's time for another holocaust"
what the fuck goes through these people's heads when they make these kinds of posts
seriously[/QUOTE]
After watching this, I actually wonder. Why does everyone against it seem to take it so seriously? And to an extent, why does anyone take this so seriously? I mean I see so much shit flinging in both directions over something that I just can't understand. I thought it was pretty well known that gaming journalism in general was pretty corrupt and shitty. That's why I've never paid any attention to it. If I want reviews, I watch lets plays or ask friends. Would it be nice to have proper journalism, sure. But is it worth even half the shit that has happened? I don't think so at all. People are having their lives ruined over something that seems incredibly small to me. And I just don't get it.
I'd love to crack a few skulls for anyone posting those tweets.
I would like to sit some of these people and just have a discussion about all this. or at least hand them a knife and tell them to kill me if they feel so strongly about me supporting gamergate despite being a feminist.
[QUOTE=Terabit;46909795]I'd love to crack a few skulls for anyone posting those tweets.[/QUOTE]
That's the point, they're trolling to provoke aggressive and/or violent answers so they can prove their delusional points
Do these people think that fun is a subjective term?
I may be harassed for liking Video Games, I may be doxxed and physically threatened, I may even get fired, but [I]at least I'm not Anthony Birch[/I].
Holy fuck, the anti-men shit is crazy
[QUOTE=Spectre1406;46909814]Do these people think that fun is a subjective term?[/QUOTE]
Mr. Jon McIntosh does!
[t]https://i.imgur.com/rXCwSBs.png[/t]
[QUOTE=Anti Christ]
After watching this, I actually wonder. Why does everyone against it seem to take it so seriously? And to an extent, why does anyone take this so seriously? I mean I see so much shit flinging in both directions over something that I just can't understand. I thought it was pretty well known that gaming journalism in general was pretty corrupt and shitty. That's why I've never paid any attention to it. If I want reviews, I watch lets plays or ask friends. Would it be nice to have proper journalism, sure. But is it worth even half the shit that has happened? I don't think so at all. People are having their lives ruined over something that seems incredibly small to me. And I just don't get it.[/QUOTE]
The jobs of game developers are basically in the hands of gaming journalism websites whose reviews either gurantee the success and failure of their game. For whatever reason (mostly because people read the number and nothing else) people use the reviews to decide whether or not to buy the game. If all of the gaming journalism websites decide to shit on a certain game it almost gurarantees it won't sell well. If they all praise a game then that game will get major clout and that will therefore drive an increase it sales.
There are two major problems with this system:
A)Many gaming journalism sites are in bed with specific developers and publishers, so they're most likely going to give their friends higher review scores no matter how shitty their game is. Of course this would be fine if they actually disclosed that they have a relationship and a conflict of interest with the person they're reviewing, but there's a lot of backroom dealing and they never seem to get around to it.
B)Many gaming journalism sites seem to want to put forward a specific agenda in order to get more views on their pages. This includes nonsense tabloid reviews, which again would be fine, if they didn't get mixed in with the actual reviews.
Metacritic uses a combination of every site's review score in order to gauge the 'overall' score of the game, which only worsens the situation.
In the end, the situation we end up with is good developers losing their jobs while terrible ones get praise and awards, developers being unable to freely express themselves through their games lest they have it affect their scores, and popularist agendas being pushed through the review system at the expense of creative freedom.
The implementation of this kind of biased system seems to be entirely intentional too. The IGF competition was revealed to be rigged in favour of games the judges had invested money into. The award received by Fez in the IGF lead onto very high market success, the resulting profits of which went back into the back accounts of the IGF judges.
People have also been harrased by Gaming Journalists and their defenders long before GamerGate was a thing, Here's some extra information about that:
[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1431809[/url]
Gaming Journalist fired from Destructoid after warning about suicide attempt. This is the big one that has everything in it since it's about the exact same thing as the reaction to GamerGate that happened about a year ago and has been highly reported on.
[url]http://www.littletinyfrogs.com/artic...e_ride_is_over[/url]
Game dev and author who gets harrased by people linked to Kotaku
[quote]So the wife of one of the people who got banned (who was, btw, the original editor-in-chief of Kotaku – I must have missed the article with the headline “Former Kotaku editor banned for stalking, harassing game developer”), wrote a fake review of my book which claimed that it was a racist book in which the heroes were building a fence to keep dark-skinned people out.
[b]Only one problem: My book has no fence and there are no dark-skinned people in the book. They made it up. Completely.[/b][/quote]
[thumb]http://i.imgur.com/XILc1jy.jpg[/thumb]
Deleted tweets by Liana K
[QUOTE]The Witcher 3. It's made of rape.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1scdev7[/url]
website getting harassed and defamed for criticizing gaming journalists
[QUOTE]On October 1, 2014, I made a single tweet to Kevin VanOrd (@fiddlecub) regarding his tweet regarding his use of a certain developer's suicide to smear GamerGate. The tweet can be found here:
[url]https://twitter.com/Ash_Effect/statu...38095747461120[/url]
For anyone not in the know, this was a quote from Joseph Nye Welch against Joseph McCarthy when the latter resorted to increasingly morally dubious methods of eliminating political and ideological opponents. My hope was that Mr. VanOrd would realize his actions were harmful, self-interested, and in poor taste. Mr. VanOrd set his account to protected shortly after I sent this tweet.
On October 2, 2014, Mr. VanOrd accused me of harassing him, despite the fact that I made one single tweet at him, and no more. In his accusation (which can be read here: [url]https://twitter.com/fiddlecub/status/517804882544189441[/url]), he tagged the RPGFan twitter account (@rpgfancom) and the Editor-in-Chief of the site, John McCarroll (@johngofett) in an attempt to defame the site and frame my colleagues as tacitly condoning harassment despite the fact that I had made only a single tweet at him.
Mr. VanOrd's actions only prove that GamerGate opponents cannot handle criticism, and seek to silence them by strong-arming those in positions above them. Perhaps Mr. VanOrd was offended by my choice of words. Perhaps he resented being compared to a politician whose use of ideological smear tactics had his name go down in infamy as a political villain. Perhaps he believed I was mocking him. However, a single tweet of criticism is NOT harassment in any way, shape, or form. Seeking to professionally silence anyone who criticizes you means only that you fear what they have to say.
[url]http://theralphretort.com/the-silverstring-agenda/[/url]
Editorial on SilverString Media (take from it what you like)
Ask yourself why so many radical feminists hold positions of prominence within the pantheon of gaming journalism. While there are radical feminists who write about all sorts of things, no one takes them as serious as the video game industry seems to. You don’t see Hollywood giving a shit about what this crowd says, so why should we? There also seems to be a much higher percentage of video game writers who hold extremist feminist views, when compared to film, TV, or politics.
This can partially be attributed to the lack of prominent outlets for vidya writing, but that’s not the only cause. For years, there has been a concerted effort by the Silverstring types to install these people into positions of prominence. But they don’t just want them featured. The Agenda wants us silenced as well. That’s why debate is quashed, discussions are closed, and those who disagree are exiled and shunned. They even shit on their paying customers.
And what exactly is it they want to do to gaming? Why have they focused so much attention where it isn’t even warranted? Gaming is not trans-phobic, and gaming is not anti-woman. That’s who they claim they’re fighting for. In reality, they’re fighting for their own bank account. Women have made games for years, and have always had prominent representation in the art. The things they talk about, either I’ve never witnessed, or it’s exaggerated to such an extreme as to be laughable. Scenarios such as being forced out of your home over scary tweets, while at the same time sitting on Twitter and cracking wise about the “nerds” and “Destiny killed GamerGate,” do not make sense. You always seem to get the sickening feeling that these people have a long distant relationship with the truth.
And what of the journos, who are supposed to present both sides of the story, and give all parties a fair hearing? Half of them are in on the Silverstring Agenda themselves. They can’t police anyone or conduct themselves professionally, because the foundation of their own house is so rotten.
Here’s what passes for journalism these days: Journo and media donate to each other, give each other jobs, shout down anyone who disagrees with them, and still deny any problems. They take swag off companies, talk to each other on secret email lists where they decide the news, and fuck the subjects of their coverage. Afterwards, they say, “nothing to see here.” They have a ton of extremists in their ranks, but call GamerGate monsters. It baffles my mind how the mainstream media lets them get away with it, but it really shouldn’t. They’ve been shit my entire adult life, and have been actively dying for most of it. They mean nothing to gamers and our community You know who gamers listen to? Other gamers. We don’t have to accept their twisted spin. Reject it, and them.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.brightsideofnews.com/2014...es-journalism/[/url]
GameJournoPros leak
[QUOTE]Evidence has mounted that gaming journalists from key publications like Kotaku, Ars Technica and Polygon have been colluding with one another to control industry-wide news coverage, adding further credence to the widespread belief that biased agenda-pushing is running rampant in the field.
According to reports from Breitbart, a number of high-profile journalists communicate with one another via a private Google Groups e-mail listing known as “Games Journo Pros“, where they discuss what to write about, what to include, and more importantly, what to omit.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://medium.com/@ryansmithwriter/...e-b021f84ca0c3[/url]
Independent study that suggests gaming journalists are too closely knit.
[url]http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-L...st-be-reformed[/url]
[QUOTE]But quite how absurdly close to their subjects some gaming journalists are has been laid bare in black and white thanks to the leak of hundreds of emails from this private mailing list, which has been used by some games industry journalists to aggressively influence the opinions, policies and reporting priorities of other publications.
The emails below, copied verbatim from a chain about games developer Zoe Quinn and shared with Breitbart London by a sympathetic source in the games industry, spell out in disturbing detail how gaming journalists threw objectivity out of the window and became cheerleaders for Quinn after it was revealed that she had started a sexual relationship with a journalist just days after she appeared in his reporting.
Not only did at least one of their number have sex with Quinn, but, in an astonishing breach of critical distance, games journalists can be seen in the leaked emails proposing that members of the list together to purchase her a "feel better" gift, and even a "signed letter of support." They call her ex-boyfriend, on whom Quinn cheated with five other men in the games industry, a "psychopath," asking why a VICE interview with him wasn't more hostile.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/201...ption-scandal/[/url]
IGF Scandal, the video of it was taken down
More IGF Evidence:
[thumb]http://i.imgur.com/FPuD0pC.jpg[/thumb]
[QUOTE=NOD Engineer]
It's easy to be brave behind a monitor[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about the narration of the video :/.
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;46910006]Holy fuck, the anti-men shit is crazy[/QUOTE]
[url]www.reddit.com/r/TumblrinAction[/url]
You are now initiated to the horror
Only the weak will stare away
[QUOTE=Zyler;46910110]The jobs of game developers are basically in the hands of gaming journalism websites whose reviews either gurantee the success and failure of their game. [...][/QUOTE]
I have nothing to add to this, but I wanted to thank you for the in-depth post. It answered a number of my questions, and I appreciate that.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;46909784]After watching this, I actually wonder. Why does everyone against it seem to take it so seriously? And to an extent, why does anyone take this so seriously? I mean I see so much shit flinging in both directions over something that I just can't understand. I thought it was pretty well known that gaming journalism in general was pretty corrupt and shitty. That's why I've never paid any attention to it. If I want reviews, I watch lets plays or ask friends. Would it be nice to have proper journalism, sure. But is it worth even half the shit that has happened? I don't think so at all. People are having their lives ruined over something that seems incredibly small to me. And I just don't get it.[/QUOTE]
While Zyler does a good job of explaining, here's an interview with Totalbiscuit in which he also describes briefly why video game journalism is important to, basically, a multi-billion dollar market.
Specific part: [url]http://youtu.be/WaMccosnRMc?t=8m15s[/url]
[video=youtube;WaMccosnRMc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaMccosnRMc[/video]
I want to watch the video in OP but I just can't stand the robotic synth voice.
What the fuck at anti-gamers. Are these people really that bothered at other people for enjoying video games as a recreational activity?
Edit: Still watching... The stupidity it hurts :suicide: Also those comments in the video are the personification of cancer, like holy fucking shit.
Oh and apparently we've reached a point in society where expressing any opinion whatsoever earns you doxxing complete with death threats.
why do people take video games so seriously
like, holy shit
[QUOTE=TheWindow;46915105]why do people take video games so seriously
like, holy shit[/QUOTE]
See the previous posts by me and uber. [b]It's a 65 billion dollar industry bigger than the movie industry[/b]. People's jobs and reputations are on the line and their freedom of expression is being threatened. 50% of Americans play video games. There are more hardcore video game players than star wars fans.
Why does anyone take anything seriously? Money and Art.
I wish there was a middle ground in this stupid debate.
[QUOTE=TheWindow;46915105]why do people take video games so seriously
like, holy shit[/QUOTE]
Why is it because they're games, it's a worthless endevour?
[QUOTE=TheWindow;46915105]why do people take video games so seriously
like, holy shit[/QUOTE]
I don't think people are taking it seriously enough. It's easy to sit back and call people names on the internet, it's a lot harder to try to make amends and force some real change (good change) into an entire industry.
Loudmouths pushing an agenda and stubborn idiots fighting each other isn't what Gamergate should be about. No one should be shocked by death threats or doxxing, the people doing this were already inconsiderate idiots before they ever even heard anything related to "gamergate".
It's the most worthless shitstorm I've seen in years.
[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46915368]I wish there was a middle ground in this stupid debate.[/QUOTE]
There is, it's basically the neutral or anti-anti-gamergate position. You don't care that much about the issues itself, you just don't like the harassment being done by the anti-gamers towards everyone else who doesn't stand in line with their views.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;46915382]I don't think people are taking it seriously enough. It's easy to sit back and call people names on the internet, it's a lot harder to try to make amends and force some real change (good change) into an entire industry.
Loudmouths pushing an agenda and stubborn idiots fighting each other isn't what Gamergate should be about. No one should be shocked by death threats or doxxing, the people doing this were already inconsiderate idiots before they ever even heard anything related to "gamergate".
It's the most worthless shitstorm I've seen in years.[/QUOTE]
There's actually been a lot of positive action accomplished by gamergate quietly behind the scenes:
[url]http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2nz204/important_ftc_update_4_ftc_confirms_that_yes/[/url]
Gamergate leads to new Federal Trade Commision policies and investigation into online journalism sites and youtubers.
[QUOTE]GamerGate - through #OperationUV - has been asking the Federal Trade Commission to enforce and clarify the rules and guidance surrounding undisclosed affiliate links in product reviews, news articles, user comments and Tweets for Gawker Media websites in particular and websites in general. In short, affiliate links allow a website to monetize links from their site to online retailors like Amazon.com. If a reader of a website clicks on a link and purchases a product, the referring website receives a portion of the sale.
While legal, problems come about when these links are hidden in product reviews, news articles and things of that nature. If these links are undisclosed, the consumer is unaware that the referring website has a direct financial incentive for their readers to purchase the product being reviewed or discussed. This is why full and obvious disclosure of this financial relationship is necessary. And it is this specific problem that #OperationUV has been attempting to tackle through emails and correspondence with the FTC.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Federal Trade Commission]Although we were already planning on updating our Endorsement Guide FAQs to address various issues that have arisen with respect to endorsement-related practices, the fact that we recently received many complaints about undisclosed affiliate links has made it clear that the FAQs need to address that specific practice. In terms of the best way to bring practices of concern to the FTC’s attention, filing separate complaints, as what happened here, is one way. If the consumers you work with want to join together to file a petition, that would be another way. A single email to me, as you did, is another way. Although the pure number of complaints won’t necessarily affect our analysis of whether the FTC Act has been violated, we do strive to be responsive when we see a pattern of complaints in our database, and certainly we saw a pattern here. I forget if I mentioned this before, but while we can’t intervene in individual disputes, we can and often do take action when we see a pattern of complaints about a particular deceptive business practice.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]I don't see how this can be made any clearer. Also, I did forward a direct link to the Gawker Media's Lifehacker article for the FTC to look at. To be clear: the FTC clarifications around affiliate disclosure are meant for all online businesses in the United States in general. I know of no past or current investigation into Gawker Media specifically.
In summary: GamerGame through #OperationUV is confirmed responsible by the Federal Trade Commision for creating a better, more ethical, more transparent online media environment. And not just for videogames media, but all online media in general. At this point, not crediting GamerGate for bringing this change about is willful misrepresentation by people who want to maintain the status quo of online media standards.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2rsxzq/this_might_have_gone_unnoticed_but_ign_recently/[/url]
IGN updated its ethics policies about 2 weeks ago, which is why so many IGN employees left that week.
[QUOTE=IGN]IGN's been around a long time, and some of the people who used to work here now work at companies that make the products we cover. Conversely, some people who work here currently, used to work at those same companies. Coverage assignments are managed so that we can avoid any possible conflict of interest. If we feel it's necessary to cover a game or movie made by a former employee, that coverage will be handled by a freelancer or staffer who had no close personal relationship with the former employee. Current employees are also restricted from covering products they used to work on before they came to IGN.
If someone at IGN develops a relationship with an industry contact that extends beyond a professional friendship, he or she must disclose that to the editorial managers, who will determine whether or not that employee should be permitted to cover their friend's projects. If we determine that employee can still cover the project fairly, that personal relationship will be disclosed to our users.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/editorials/12224-The-Official-Ethics-Policy-of-The-Escapist[/url]
Escapist changed its ethics policy
[QUOTE]All Site staff must tell their supervisors in advance about potential conflicts of interest. When first assigned to cover or work on a matter, disclose to your immediate supervisors any business, commercial, financial or personal interests where such interests might reasonably be construed as being in actual, apparent or potential conflict with our duties. This includes situations in which a spouse, family member or companion is an active participant in a subject area that you cover. In the financial category, this does not include an investment by you or your spouse, family member or companion in mutual funds or pension funds that are invested by fund managers in a broad range of companies (unless, of course, the assignment concerns those specific funds). When a spouse, family member or companion is involved in political activity, be sensitive to the fact that this could create real or apparent conflicts of interest. In such instances, advise your supervisor so that it can be determined whether you should recuse yourself from a certain story or certain coverage. For example, if an editor provided a line of voice talent to a game, he might be required to disclose that on coverage of the game. If an editor were a level designer for a game, he would have to recuse himself from reviewing the game.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2oyy2g/gamergate_controversy_cost_gawker_media_seven/[/url]
Gamergate cost Gawker Media "7 figures" in ad revenue.
[QUOTE]The "gamergate" controversy cost Gawker Media "seven figures" in lost advertising revenue, the company's head of advertising Andrew Gorenstein said at an all-hands meeting on Wednesday afternoon, according to two people in attendance at the meeting.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Ultimately, the gamergate controversy had more of an effect on Gawker's management than its bottom line. The company's revenue has increased 30 percent year-over-year, and Denton announced to the newsroom before the all-hands meeting that the 2015 editorial budget is $14 million. But the internal dissension over gamergate was one of the things that prompted Denton to replace Johnson with Craggs and name a seven-person managing partnership to run the company.
Johnson, who is still technically editorial director of Gawker Media until Jan. 1, was not at the meeting. Though Denton has offered him non-editorial positions at the company, he may leave the Gawker altogether.
In the staff memo, Denton said that he and Johnson remained friends, though he also called his decision to hire Johnson as editorial director "a mistake." At the all-hands meeting, two people in attendance told Capital, Denton said that he and Johnson may no longer be friends going forward.[/QUOTE]
Gamergate also funded TFYC, a feminist organisation helping women produce video games, a bullying prevention charity, a suicide prevention charity, Action Against Hunger USA, an animal adoption service (we adopted a sea lion) and several Kickstarter and early access games that would have otherwise never been funded or supported because they didn't fit the narrative of what gaming journalists wanted.
[QUOTE][thumb]http://i.imgur.com/FPuD0pC.jpg[/thumb][/QUOTE]
The image shows that there were Indie Fund members on the Grand Prize jury in 2011, but FEZ didn't win the grand prize until 2012. Is there any actual proof that there were Indie Fund members on the jury the year FEZ won the award?
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