You can skip to 0:39 if you want to skip the intro.
The message is absolutely true but the NRA definitely has zero moral high ground to stand on considering their ridiculous amount of money they spend paying off politicians and remaining powerful.
I hated this guys last video but it's not possible to disagree with this, it's absolutely true
the mainstream media absolutely loves the views that shootings bring. They even take it to such extremes as invading homes and shit. But I don't think it's something that's a secret, they don't exactly pretend not to be terrible.
Sex sells but violence also sells.
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NRA also loves shootings because gun sales spike whenever a mass shooting happens.
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They do this quite often, unfortunately.
Democrats are a gun salesman's best friend
Collion pointed out that they aren't actually happy when a shooting happens or root for spree shooters, and I don't think the NRA is the same way. I'd call that a bit too far, as much as I think they're crazed gun worshiping baffoons
[editline]22nd February 2018[/editline]
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They do this quite often, unfortunately.[/QUOTE]
There were a shitload of fake tweets showing up, so I wouldn't trust these
Adam Lanza
The video isn't wrong at all, the media eats that shit up.
The worst part is that there are psychologists that told the media how they should report active shooter situations vs putting their faces up, kill counts, and giving them fame for it. The reason being that it only inspires more people to commit violent acts. I cannot find the interview video for the life of me.
[QUOTE=Whibble;53150586][img_thumb]https://stevebuttry.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/cnn-hanks-farifield-response.jpg[/img_thumb]
They do this quite often, unfortunately.[/QUOTE]
Apparently this woman was [URL="https://stevebuttry.wordpress.com/category/twitter/breaking-news-twitter/"]just trolling[/URL] and exploiting a tragedy for her own amusement. Some reporters fell for it whoops!
Also I'm pretty sure that twitter used to require that users follow to be followers to send DMs
[QUOTE=MR-X;53150600]The video isn't wrong at all, the media eats that shit up.
The worst part is that there are psychologists that told the media how they should report active shooter situations vs putting their faces up, kill counts, and giving them fame for it. The reason being that it only inspires more people to commit violent acts. I cannot find the interview video for the life of me.[/QUOTE]
How long we get the 'official spree shooter leaderboard'
If people didn't watch it they wouldn't make content like this. As much as you can hate them for how they go about getting the info the reason that they do it is to appease their audience.
[QUOTE=MR-X;53150600]The video isn't wrong at all, the media eats that shit up.
The worst part is that there are psychologists that told the media how they should report active shooter situations vs putting their faces up, kill counts, and giving them fame for it. The reason being that it only inspires more people to commit violent acts. I cannot find the interview video for the life of me.[/QUOTE]
[video]https://youtu.be/PezlFNTGWv4[/video]
[QUOTE=J!NX;53150604]How long we get the 'official spree shooter leaderboard'[/QUOTE]
[url]https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/High_Score[/url]
already done sadly.
[QUOTE=Whibble;53150586][img_thumb]https://stevebuttry.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/cnn-hanks-farifield-response.jpg[/img_thumb]
They do this quite often, unfortunately.[/QUOTE]
[url=https://twitter.com/hankstv/status/672137015945781248]"Verified as mostly harmless"[/url]
Doesn't work at CNN anymore it seems.
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[QUOTE=Lambeth;53150603]Apparently this woman was [URL="https://stevebuttry.wordpress.com/category/twitter/breaking-news-twitter/"]just trolling[/URL] and exploiting a tragedy for her own amusement. Some reporters fell for it whoops!
[/QUOTE]
Maybe he wasn't getting enough real leads to pester.
it'd be easy to pass a law saying you can't release names until the suspect is found guilty. obviously most of the time we're talking an open and shut case, but they still have to go through the motions of a criminal investigation. that'd give enough time for the steam to cool before they can start plastering the dude's face all over the tv. even if it's just a few weeks, that's enough for all the shit to die down and break the attention span of most would-be mass shooters.
"no one... motivates people to become mass shooters more than the media"
utter horseshit.
we live in a country of 350+ million people with enormous healthcare and infrastructural problems. people here are frustrated and alienated and you see it everywhere. we're so fucking lost in the weeds. and on top of that, people literally hoard guns. yet in this video, the NRA wants you to buy into the republican creed where fake news is our poisoner. the people who shoot up schools and theaters weren't born that way. if you think the way these stories are reported is the first link in the chain of problems here, you're lying to yourself and everyone else.
And the NRA loves receiving money from the gun manufacturers to lobby for free market on weapons of mass destruction. Way to deflect, and scapegoat the media for guns you allowed to be unregulated NRA.
[QUOTE=J!NX;53150579]the mainstream media absolutely loves the views that shootings bring. They even take it to such extremes as invading homes and shit. But I don't think it's something that's a secret, they don't exactly pretend not to be terrible.[/QUOTE]
After the Port Arthur massacre, one of the local news groups broke into Martin Bryant's house and mucked with things before the police had even gotten there.
[QUOTE=download;53150687]After the Port Arthur massacre, one of the local news groups broke into Martin Bryant's house and mucked with things before the police had even gotten there.[/QUOTE]
I didn't even know about that one what
I was just thinking recent, god damn, how often do they do this (only one I can think of is those 2 Muslim women that has their stuff searched through)
[QUOTE=J!NX;53150689]I didn't even know about that one what
I was just thinking recent, god damn, how often do they do this (only one I can think of is those 2 Muslim women that has their stuff searched through)[/QUOTE]
Well it happened 22 years ago so yeah, you might not know about it.
[QUOTE=Derposaurus;53150608]If people didn't watch it they wouldn't make content like this. As much as you can hate them for how they go about getting the info the reason that they do it is to appease their audience.[/QUOTE]
This. People want to blame the media but the fact is that people want to know why things like this can happen. They want to know what has to go wrong in a young mans life for him to pick up a gun and take the lives of people he went to school with, or associated with. If you look at a shooting that hasn't gotten as much coverage regarding the investigation, the Las Vegas shooting, people have concocted the wildest conspiracy theories because they are [B]that [/B]hungry for information.
Blaming the media is a cop out, to go further and say that they "love" mass shootings is just trying to push a narrative. On a related note, I think it's pretty fuckin convenient that the Adam Lanza montage doesn't include Fox News [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/24/fbi-releases-sandy-hook-school-shooting-investigation-documents.html"]who did the exact same thing[/URL]. But I guess it's okay when conservative media does it, right?
[QUOTE=MR-X;53150616][url]https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/High_Score[/url]
already done sadly.[/QUOTE]
Huh, I had no idea an ED mod went on to become a school shooter. Going by the ED article, I have to assume the shoot put together the page?
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[QUOTE=Raidyr;53150716]This. People want to blame the media but the fact is that people want to know why things like this can happen. They want to know what has to go wrong in a young mans life for him to pick up a gun and take the lives of people he went to school with, or associated with. If you look at a shooting that hasn't gotten as much coverage regarding the investigation, the Las Vegas shooting, people have concocted the wildest conspiracy theories because they are [B]that [/B]hungry for information.
Blaming the media is a cop out, to go further and say that they "love" mass shootings is just trying to push a narrative. On a related note, I think it's pretty fuckin convenient that the Adam Lanza montage doesn't include Fox News [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/24/fbi-releases-sandy-hook-school-shooting-investigation-documents.html"]who did the exact same thing[/URL]. But I guess it's okay when conservative media does it, right?[/QUOTE]
I have to disagree. I won't lay the whole blame on the media, but the fact mass shootings happen in waves suggests media publicity encourages others to emulate them.
I've said it before, but if the media didn't name shooters or show their faces, or better yet, spent the news insulting the shooters, there would probably be less of them.
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I have to disagree. I won't lay the whole blame on the media, but the fact mass shootings happen in waves suggests media publicity encourages others to emulate them.
I've said it before, but if the media didn't name shooters or show their faces, or better yet, spent the news insulting the shooters, there would probably be less of them.[/QUOTE]
I don't really think there are objective ways to quantify how much news coverage influences future shooters unless you just ask them. Going off that convenient ED page, a couple of shooters may have enjoyed the spotlight posthumously but then you have situations like Adam Lanza where clearly there was a lot wrong with the guy and his relationships at home and in school, with no indications that he particularly wanted to become famous.
I don't necessarily disagree with the idea of focusing less on the shooter himself (though I'd imagine it would be pretty difficult to cover up things like the body count) but I'm not going to ignore the fact that this is the NRA and their argument conveniently dovetails over the broader right-wing narrative that the media is the enemy. Many more things need to happen before a person picks up a gun and starts shooting up his school before you get to "maybe he wanted to be famous".
[QUOTE=Kommodore;53150648]"no one... motivates people to become mass shooters more than the media"
utter horseshit.
we live in a country of 350+ million people with enormous healthcare and infrastructural problems. people here are frustrated and alienated and you see it everywhere. we're so fucking lost in the weeds. and on top of that, people literally hoard guns. yet in this video, the NRA wants you to buy into the republican creed where fake news is our poisoner. the people who shoot up schools and theaters weren't born that way. if you think the way these stories are reported is the first link in the chain of problems here, you're lying to yourself and everyone else.[/QUOTE]
While I disagree with the notion that the media is the biggest source of mass shooters, the concept that mass media generates or at least facilitates the rise of unhinged psychopaths is not new nor does it have anything to do with the relatively recent "FAKE NEWS" logic harbored by the right wing.
The kinds of people who commit murders on a repeated and/or large scale, be it serial killers or mass shooters, are known and documented to be yearning for attention to a pathological extent, and the media offers a very real, tangible and powerful means of getting that attention.
While the media cannot solely be held responsible, the very evident culture of morbid voyeurism works in an almost symbiotic way with the violently egotistic individuals who go out to shoot up crowded places. It's undeniable that better mental healthcare would sort the issue out to a good degree but taking measures to inhibit the glorification of murderers which the media, consciously or otherwise, likes to indulge in would also definitely help.
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Do note that this logic extends even beyond people with mental issues: there is a reason why, in the case of a hostage situation, especially when terrorists are involved in some other country, the French media censors the faces of the hostages until they are freed. This action dehumanizes the hostages to an extent but also discourages terrorists from even bothering with hostage situations because they cannot get the emotional reaction they want to get by publishing ransom videos.
As much as I agree that the media are morally disgusting when it comes to tragedy, I find it hard to be on the same side as the guy who made the video as I'm pretty sure he's the same person who made a video on the day of the shooting saying that to "solve" this problem they should give teachers guns.
I really don't get the viewpoint of fixing gun crime by giving more people guns, it's like trying to put out a fire by throwing molotov cocktails at it.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;53150747]While I disagree with the notion that the media is the biggest source of mass shooters, the concept that mass media generates or at least facilitates the rise of unhinged psychopaths is not new nor does it have anything to do with the relatively recent "FAKE NEWS" logic harbored by the right wing.[/QUOTE]
The NRA specifically though have come up just short of encouraging violence against the press on more than one occasion in the past year alone. I think it's highly irresponsible of them to say that the media loves mass shootings.
no shit the media loves mass shootings, they love anything that gives them a huge story
but that doesnt change anything, you can't blame the media for school shootings just like you can't blame video games on it, the media is pretty much the same in the US as it is in any other place in the world, but you don't see nearly as much shit going on there
45 minute video with the same message, but more details, examples and a sharper tongue.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmOWqBthBvg[/media]
Mass Shootings bring ratings because [I]we give them ratings.[/I]
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