Joe Rogan Experience | Bret Weinstein [Evergreen State College Professor] - General

[video=youtube;xq4Y87idawk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq4Y87idawk[/video] Only listened to a little bit, will listen to the rest before bed tonight. Conversation was interesting.

How is it we're at the point where Radical marxists and anarchists are forcefully taking over schools and physically taking faculty hostage, but nobody seems to care. What the fuck.

Very interesting podcast, just like the 2nd podcast with professor Jordan Peterson. A few highlights (short clips) from the podcast: [video=youtube;-st73zhZL3A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-st73zhZL3A[/video] [video=youtube;dcpdyl6wSsw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcpdyl6wSsw[/video] I find the whole Evergreen debacle absolutely astonishing. Anywhere else in the world, those students would have been expelled on the spot for the things they have said and done. [editline]3rd June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52307753]How is it we're at the point where Radical marxists and anarchists are forcefully taking over schools and physically taking faculty hostage, but nobody seems to care.[/QUOTE] It's because of people like this professor who had no problems with this madness going rampant, up until the second the ideology turned on itself and pointed at *him*... and that is when he cried foul. Now he's realizing how much of a clusterfuck this whole thing is, this beast that he has helped grow unchecked, without considering the consequences.

I don't even necessarily share all the views with Jordan Peterson(although I do think he's intelligent) and this guy. That doesn't mean I feel they should be silenced. We're in a really strange point of history, I wanted to go Berkeley for my Masters, but I'm sort of afraid of being attacked by the PC police:

I've never seen someone talk for over 2 hours like this and never make a mistake. That was amazing. He stayed in line and pointed out how illogical the opposition is being, without committing any fallacies.

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52307753]How is it we're at the point where Radical marxists and anarchists are forcefully taking over schools and physically taking faculty hostage, but nobody seems to care. What the fuck.[/QUOTE] Where do you think these students came from? They were taught this. Nobody cares because there are a ton of people at these colleges who are rooting right along with them, even if in quiet for fear of backlash. They've taught these kids that our society is racist, oppressive, bigoted, and any other negative thing you can think of. Why wouldn't they feel justified in shutting it down?

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52307753]How is it we're at the point where Radical marxists and anarchists are forcefully taking over schools and physically taking faculty hostage, but nobody seems to care. What the fuck.[/QUOTE] People always brush it under the rug as a vocal minority. Usually from an inside and outside perspective

The whole nuclear power fear mongering seems like a sore thumb in this interview.

[QUOTE=Tetsmega;52308546]People always brush it under the rug as a vocal minority. Usually from an inside and outside perspective[/QUOTE] [IMG]https://puu.sh/wa2Ox/6a7ee5fa49.png[/IMG] They sure do. And of course, that's perfectly true. They [I]are[/I] the vocal minority of people, peterson estimated it at between 300,000 and 3,000,000 in north america, which would be between .1% - 1% of the US population. But that doesn't mean they're not dangerous. And they are. On their own, each individual person under the thumb of all these ideas may not be dangerous. But as a collective they are, and the ideas they hold are [I]extraordinarily[/I] dangerous. Enough to throw spain into a civil war, tear down the Tsar and turn russia, china, columbia and many others into a hellscape for a century. But because they put on the face of fallacious virtue, everyone gives them a free pass and we sink an inch deeper into the sand.

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[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52309541][IMG]https://puu.sh/wa2Ox/6a7ee5fa49.png[/IMG] They sure do. And of course, that's perfectly true. They [I]are[/I] the vocal minority of people, peterson estimated it at between 300,000 and 3,000,000 in north america, which would be between .1% - 1% of the US population. But that doesn't mean they're not dangerous. And they are. On their own, each individual person under the thumb of all these ideas may not be dangerous. But as a collective they are, and the ideas they hold are [I]extraordinarily[/I] dangerous. Enough to throw spain into a civil war, tear down the Tsar and turn russia, china, columbia and many others into a hellscape for a century. But because they put on the face of fallacious virtue, everyone gives them a free pass and we sink an inch deeper into the sand.[/QUOTE] Yeah, these idiots at American schools are obviously the same people deposing the Russian Tsar and fighting the Nationalists in Spain. Don't kid yourself that these are equals, these are just misguided young people obsessed with race and gender issues. Radical leftists in history would laugh at them.

[QUOTE=RB33;52310920]Yeah, these idiots at American schools are obviously [B][I][U]the same people[/U][/I][/B] deposing the Russian Tsar and fighting the Nationalists in Spain. Don't kid yourself that these are equals, these are just misguided young people obsessed with race and gender issues. Radical leftists in history would laugh at them.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52309541] And of course, that's perfectly true. They [I]are[/I] the vocal minority of people, peterson estimated it at between 300,000 and 3,000,000 in north america, which would be between .1% - 1% of the US population. But that doesn't mean they're not dangerous. And they are. On their own, each individual person under the thumb of all these ideas may not be dangerous. But as a collective they are, and[B][I][U] the ideas they hold[/U][/I][/B] are [I]extraordinarily[/I] dangerous. Enough to throw spain into a civil war, tear down the Tsar and turn russia, china, columbia and many others into a hellscape for a century. But because they put on the face of fallacious virtue, everyone gives them a free pass and we sink an inch deeper into the sand.[/QUOTE] You need to read better. The ideas are either identical or [I]worse [/I]than the marxism of the early 20th century, and a good portion if not the majority of all those hellish revolutions also started as student movements.

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52313566]You need to read better. The ideas are either identical or [I]worse [/I]than the marxism of the early 20th century, and a good portion if not the majority of all those hellish revolutions also started as student movements.[/QUOTE] They are obviously not the same people, those are long dead. But it's not even the same ideas. Unless they start going on about the Means of Production and worker democracy and mostly only that, they're Marxists. Otherwise, they're edgy inexperienced teens fighting the great war against "oppression", which somehow mostly only counts your race and gender. [QUOTE=RB33]Radical leftists in history would laugh at them.[/QUOTE]

No that's not true at all. It's almost exactly the same but for one difference. After the reality of the glorious revolutions finally made it's way to the west during the 70's with The Gulag Archipelago and the like, the french post modernists/marxists simply shifted a few concepts around. Instead of the "pure" marxist idea of the tyranical upper classes oppressing the proletariat, the post modernists, Derrida in particular, argue that all power struggles are between simply the oppressor and the oppressed. And the benefit of that is that the groups can be infinitely and arbitrarily defined/redefined. So now the game can last forever. That's why gay people are starting to get kicked out/ostracized by the radical feminist types, they're mainstream, so are now part of the oppressors. Something they claimed virtue in supporting a few years ago is now an enemy of the people. We were always at war with Eurasia, comrade. And you can see it in the evergreen 'protests'. Look at all the people screaming black power and calling white people tyranical opressors. White privilege is just the marxist idea of class economic power dynamics reapplied to social/racial groups. And since being of the oppressed group carries a presumed justness, they can claim to be fighting racism while screaming black power. So long as you can find resentful and angry people, you can find kulaks to point them at. Go watch the protestor videos, it's clear as day that they're all resentful and desperately looking for others to pin their inadequacies on, and to fight something to fight and drag down. Just like the resentful ukranian deadbeats being told that property is theft, and that all those farmers with a house and a few animals should be struck down, and the means of production returned to the people. Same thing, different label on the box.

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52318004]No that's not true at all. It's almost exactly the same but for one difference. After the reality of the glorious revolutions finally made it's way to the west during the 70's with The Gulag Archipelago and the like, the french post modernists/marxists simply shifted a few concepts around. Instead of the "pure" marxist idea of the tyranical upper classes oppressing the proletariat, the post modernists, Derrida in particular, argue that all power struggles are between simply the oppressor and the oppressed. And the benefit of that is that the groups can be infinitely and arbitrarily defined/redefined. So now the game can last forever. That's why gay people are starting to get kicked out/ostracized by the radical feminist types, they're mainstream, so are now part of the oppressors. Something they claimed virtue in supporting a few years ago is now an enemy of the people. We were always at war with Eurasia, comrade. And you can see it in the evergreen 'protests'. Look at all the people screaming black power and calling white people tyranical opressors. White privilege is just the marxist idea of class economic power dynamics reapplied to social/racial groups. And since being of the oppressed group carries a presumed justness, they can claim to be fighting racism while screaming black power. So long as you can find resentful and angry people, you can find kulaks to point them at. Go watch the protestor videos, it's clear as day that they're all resentful and desperately looking for others to pin their inadequacies on, and to fight something to fight and drag down. Just like the resentful ukranian deadbeats being told that property is theft, and that all those farmers with a house and a few animals should be struck down, and the means of production returned to the people. Same thing, different label on the box.[/QUOTE] Yeah, keep having that simplified black and white view of the world. It isn't that simple. These are young idiots, not mature revolutionaries fighting guerilla wars. Marx is rolling in his grave everytime, people keep claiming these people are somehow Marxists.

They're using marxist informed ideas and principals to judge the world and acting accordingly. What's the controversy in calling them marxists? 1/5 people in the humanities is a public self identified marxist, more still unknowingly due to being taught the worldview, and that's where this shit is coming from. Marxism isn't just his idea of socialism, marxism is his "philisophical" view or social model of the world. That's what Marxism really is, and it's wrong in every way it's possible to be wrong. And what we're seeing is the symptoms of that world view being taught in universities. [URL]http://evergreen.edu/studies[/URL] [IMG]https://puu.sh/wd7js/e74928bc39.png[/IMG] And there it is, all the disciplines that've been taken over by marxist and postmodernist actors, proudly advertised on their website. [URL]http://evergreen.edu/catalog/offering/identities-power-and-relationships-context-17425[/URL] [QUOTE]The course explores the relationship between identity constructs and systems of power and privilege, using feminist intersectional analysis. Students will examine critically case studies about racism, homophobia, and gender-based violence with special attention to the interplay between identity and power on college campuses. Through the use of films, small-group discussions, role-playing and other interactive activities, students will not only become aware, but also build confidence and practical skills to confront injustice and inequalities on campus and in the community. [/QUOTE] Intersectionality was invented by a self proclaimed marxist, and she described it as a marxist model of intergroup power dynamics between social/ethnic groups. Social constructionist ideas are the keystone of postmodernism. What more proof does one need? [URL]http://evergreen.edu/catalog/offering/reproduction-gender-race-and-power-16338[/URL] This one is fucking sepctacular. [QUOTE]this program will not attempt to construct a systematic history, but will rather use a series of case studies to develop an intersectional analysis of reproduction as a phenomenon that cannot be separated from issues of race and gender.[/QUOTE] Oh and one of the ladies who started this shitfest originally? [URL]https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:-oSfK-X5vE8J:https://evergreen.edu/directory/people/russoj+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us[/URL] [URL]https://evergreen.edu/catalog/offering/mediaworks-representing-power-and-difference-14397[/URL] [QUOTE]we will gain fluency in methodologies including close reading and formal analysis, mapping narrative and genre, unpacking power from feminist, critical race, de-colonial, and anti-capitalist perspectives. What does it mean to make moving images in an age of omnipresent media, information overload, social inequality, and global capitalism? What's the relationship between aesthetic form and power across race, class, gender, sexuality, and other axes of difference? As media artists, how do we enter debates around social and political justice? How do we critically engage new media as a form of activism and cultural critique?[/QUOTE] Yeah, marxist, communist, activist, postmodernist. Boy, what a coincidence.

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52322075]They're using marxist informed ideas and principals to judge the world and acting accordingly. What's the controversy in calling them marxists? 1/5 people in the humanities is a public self identified marxist, more still unknowingly due to being taught the worldview, and that's where this shit is coming from.[/QUOTE] There's this entire communist ideology thing that already has the name Marxism, so maybe stop mixing them up? [QUOTE]Marxism isn't just his idea of socialism, marxism is his "philisophical" view or social model of the world. That's what Marxism really is, and it's wrong in every way it's possible to be wrong. And what we're seeing is the symptoms of that world view being taught in universities.[/QUOTE] Marx didn't think of Queer Studies when he wrote The Communist Manifesto, i'm pretty certain of it. [QUOTE]Intersectionality was invented by a self proclaimed marxist, and she described it as a marxist model of intergroup power dynamics between social/ethnic groups. Social constructionist ideas are the keystone of postmodernism. What more proof does one need?[/QUOTE] Other self proclaimed marxists killed millions in famines and gulags, marxists won't agree with each other or even recognize each others right to exist. So why is this particular marxist anymore noteworthy and legitimate? They're full of shit, not because they're marxists, but just because they're full of shit.

[QUOTE=RB33;52322794]{words}[/QUOTE] You really are a pretty thick-headed individual. What Trilby perfectly explained earlier is that this is all [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Marxism]neo-marxism[/url] by definition. Read this carefully: [quote]Neo-Marxism is a loose term for various twentieth-century approaches that amend or extend Marxism and Marxist theory, usually by incorporating elements from other intellectual traditions, such as critical theory, psychoanalysis, or existentialism (in the case of Sartre). Neo-Marxism comes under the broader framework of the New Left. In a sociological sense, neo-Marxism adds Max Weber's broader understanding of social inequality, such as status and power, to Marxist philosophy. Strains of neo-Marxism include: critical theory, analytical Marxism and French structural Marxism. The concept arose as a way to explain questions which were not explained in Karl Marx's works. There are many different "branches" of Neo-Marxism often not in agreement with each other and their theories.[/quote] Now this is the important part, since Derrida and the rest of the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School]Frankfurt School[/url] members were all marxists. Again, read this very carefully: [quote]Although sometimes only loosely affiliated, Frankfurt School theorists spoke with a common paradigm in mind; they shared the Marxist Hegelian premises and were preoccupied with similar questions. To fill in the perceived omissions of classical Marxism, they sought to draw answers from other schools of thought, hence using the insights of antipositivist sociology, psychoanalysis, existential philosophy, and other disciplines. The school's main figures sought to learn from and synthesize the works of such varied thinkers as Kant, Hegel, Marx, Freud, Weber, Simmel, and Lukács.[/quote] Professor Peterson explained this entire concept much, much better than I ever could. If you have time to spare, I'd suggest you listen to him carefully too. [video]https://youtu.be/YkmXwByGmjc[/video] I'd accompany it with [url=https://areomagazine.com/2017/03/27/how-french-intellectuals-ruined-the-west-postmodernism-and-its-impact-explained/]this article[/url], explaining how pretentious and scummy they turned out to be. [quote]Postmodernism has become a Lyotardian metanarrative, a Foucauldian system of discursive power, and a Derridean oppressive hierarchy.[/quote] As an alternative to Peterson, if you still don't want to listen to reason, even RCR (of all people) explained postmodernism on one of his reviews, which hopefully should make it a lot more palatable for you. [video=youtube;hoxqtnI4I4c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoxqtnI4I4c[/video]

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;52325153]You really are a pretty thick-headed individual. What Trilby perfectly explained earlier is that this is all [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Marxism]neo-marxism[/url] by definition. Read this carefully: Now this is the important part, since Derrida and the rest of the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School]Frankfurt School[/url] members were all marxists. Again, read this very carefully: Professor Peterson explained this entire concept much, much better than I ever could. If you have time to spare, I'd suggest you listen to him carefully too. [video]https://youtu.be/YkmXwByGmjc[/video] I'd accompany it with [url=https://areomagazine.com/2017/03/27/how-french-intellectuals-ruined-the-west-postmodernism-and-its-impact-explained/]this article[/url], explaining how pretentious and scummy they turned out to be. As an alternative to Peterson, if you still don't want to listen to reason, even RCR (of all people) explained postmodernism on one of his reviews, which hopefully should make it a lot more palatable for you. [video=youtube;hoxqtnI4I4c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoxqtnI4I4c[/video][/QUOTE] Until they start waving red flags and advocate for dictatorships of the proletariat, they're not Marxists in my eyes. Regardless of how much they want to pretend being so. If Marxism stops being primarily about classes (race and gender are not classes) and economics, it's something else.

[QUOTE=RB33;52325473]Until they start waving red flags and advocate for dictatorships of the proletariat, they're not Marxists in my eyes. Regardless of how much they want to pretend being so. If Marxism stops being primarily about classes (race and gender are not classes) and economics, it's something else.[/QUOTE] That is, of course, your opinion. And I've stated facts. You don't have to like the truth for it to be true. It's marxism whether you like it or not. As for the pic, well I got ya covered, fam. I have one word for you: Berkeley. [img]https://i.imgur.com/Hv3vuoL.jpg[/img] You know what that symbol is? it's from the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Front]German Iron Front[/url], and I've seen it pop up in a lot of Antifa pictures. The Iron Front was a 1930s paramilitary group started by the Social Democratic Party to defend democracy by streetfighting against both the Nazi Brownshirts & the Communists' 'Red Front Fighters' League.' Each downward arrow represents the three revolutionary threats to liberal-democracy that the Front was fighting: -Fascism/National Socialism. -Monarchism/'Reactionaries'. -[b]Communism.[/b] Every antifa group I've looked into advocates revolution & is either communist or anarchocommunist. That they've adopted an old symbol which represented defence of liberal-democracy and [i]violent opposition to communism[/i] just shows how ignorant so many of these people are. They care more about style over substance, and even their substance sucks. No wonder you think [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman]this is not true marxism[/url].

Going through my post history and saying "aha! you've said $STATEMENT1, $STATEMENT2 and $STATEMENT3 once, therefore anything you say is invalid!" is pretty lazy of you, it's not even a rebuttal. It doesn't change a thing; I stand by what I've said at the time, and it doesn't really have anything to do with this topic, so don't try and derail the thread making this about me and my previous statements. Postmodernism sprung out of marxism, just watch (or re-watch) the Peterson video I've linked earlier for a clear explanation. The marxists that ruled the campuses in the 70's never really left, they changed their stripes and re-branded. Postmodernists have demigod status within liberal arts academia for the same reason marxists did. Because it's an attractive ideology to lazy intellectuals who want to have all the power, but none of the responsibility, but now someone in their ranks sees how damaging this ideology has become. [editline]8th June 2017[/editline] Or as the kids say these days, Bret Weinstein is now pretty "woke".

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;52326230]That is, of course, your opinion. And I've stated facts. You don't have to like the truth for it to be true. It's marxism whether you like it or not. As for the pic, well I got ya covered, fam. I have one word for you: Berkeley. You know what that symbol is? it's from the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Front]German Iron Front[/url], and I've seen it pop up in a lot of Antifa pictures. The Iron Front was a 1930s paramilitary group started by the Social Democratic Party to defend democracy by streetfighting against both the Nazi Brownshirts & the Communists' 'Red Front Fighters' League.' Each downward arrow represents the three revolutionary threats to liberal-democracy that the Front was fighting: -Fascism/National Socialism. -Monarchism/'Reactionaries'. -[b]Communism.[/b] Every antifa group I've looked into advocates revolution & is either communist or anarchocommunist. That they've adopted an old symbol which represented defence of liberal-democracy and [i]violent opposition to communism[/i] just shows how ignorant so many of these people are. They care more about style over substance, and even their substance sucks. No wonder you think [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman]this is not true marxism[/url].[/QUOTE] Is this pic of people in colourful clothes and fancy shields to convince me that they are Marxists? They look ridiculous and immature. Everyone on these colleges being dumb is not part of some Antifa, that's not a valid argument. If everything could be Marxism, these would be included. But they should not be. Would you consider China a succesful democracy just because they have a market economy as the US does? That's about how much this is connected, probably even less. [editline]8th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Pretiacruento;52326561]Postmodernism sprung out of marxism, just watch (or re-watch) the Peterson video I've linked earlier for a clear explanation. The marxists that ruled the campuses in the 70's never really left, they changed their stripes and re-branded. Postmodernists have demigod status within liberal arts academia for the same reason marxists did. Because it's an attractive ideology to lazy intellectuals who want to have all the power, but none of the responsibility, but now someone in their ranks sees how damaging this ideology has become.[/QUOTE] You know after a while, it stops being Marxism. You don't call Capitalism, burgher tradeship or some outdated term. It's stops being what it used to be, why not call it Postmodernism and only that then?

Sure, man. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;52326692]Sure, man. Whatever helps you sleep at night.[/QUOTE] If you want to make out imaginary Marxists out of stupid college youths, all power to you.