China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains - Sensationalist Headlines

SHANGHAI (REUTERS) - China said it will begin applying its so-called social credit system to flights and trains and stop people who have committed misdeeds from taking such transport for up to a year. People who would be put on the restricted lists included those found to have committed acts like spreading false information about terrorism and causing trouble on flights, as well as those who used expired tickets or smoked on trains, according to two statements issued on the National Development and Reform Commission's website on Friday (March 16). Those found to have committed financial wrongdoings, such as employers who failed to pay social insurance or people who have failed to pay fines, would also face these restrictions, said the statements which were dated March 2. It added that the rules would come into effect on May 1. The move is in line with President's Xi Jinping's plan to construct a social credit system based on the principle of "once untrustworthy, always restricted", said one of the notices which was signed by eight ministries, including the country's aviation regulator and the Supreme People's Court. China has flagged plans to roll out a system that will allow government bodies to share information on its citizens'trustworthiness and issue penalties based on a so-called social credit score. http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/china-to-bar-people-with-bad-social-credit-from-planes-trains?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&xtor=CS1-10 Welp its black mirror in china

Minimize the spread of subversive of ideas. You keep them isolated on social media and isolated in real life so that others don't start taking in their views or spreading information unpleasant to the regime. And if you ever need to "clean up" you know it is harder for them to have escaped or fled. You have a good idea where they still are.

Even if that sounds kind of weird, it is true that most Chinese people need to learn manners urgently.

I can foresee in the near future these systems are going to be used against the minorities of China. They're already forcing registration if I recall correct of these minorities. I feel like another ethnic cleanse is on the rise alongside what Coldmute said. I'm probably being paranoid or its far fetched but nothing good in terms of policy and "rights" that has come out of China was good recently. It seems like its gotten a lot worse.

Why does Charlie Brooker always have to be right?

The direction China is going is very scare imo, with the recent infinite term extension and now this. And you can bet they will take it even further in the future as well

This is really fucked up.

shit, i remember this the score in the system they're trying to implement is effected positively or negatively based around the people you have as friends on there, so it effectively encourages social ostracization of people who the algorithm defines as not being committed to the cause of the state i.e. walk the party line or become a pariah, and also have your rights severely restricted

Scary shit.

Something something black mirror For real though if this doesn't get some kind of public backlash I don't know what the hell will

I'm curious if this will have any actual impact on their culture and change things within the next few years as problematic and abusable as it is.

Could this stop you from being able to travel to work and force you to relocate to city centers? Welcome to city 17.

if I remember correctly this rating system has been in place for years. I don't remember the article or even if it was true but it claimed that even being friends with people on social media that have low scores, will lower yours in turn. Which means that you are actively encouraged to cut ties with people who have low scores in order to boost your own. It's like that black mirror episode where everyone rates each other and if your rating falls too low you can't even enter certain buildings. Amazing.

The scary part is that it's such a slippery slope. Where will it stop? It's the small things now, public transport for example. But keep adding tiny bits and pieces to the system and where will we be in 20 years?

china is like a cartoon dystopia

China is like every scary dystopian future from fiction come to life.

this is the one time I will allow a black mirror comparison.

thank for permission, you are a good person

Now I'm thinking about that other recent thread about how much data Facebook collects on you. Imagine when (not if, when) they finish hooking big-data metrics from social media sites into this system. Presuming they haven't already. Stay in line, citizen!

And that's with a public that has grown wary about social media corporations and a government that has taken steps in restricting what they can do with data and how they can get it. Imagine what a monolithiic, constantly spying government has on you

Combine this with the fact just about everyone has a GPS on them and you're in for a bad time.

And they'll be the dominant world power with their size and resources. All of us western countries need to stick together to counter theif influence. Unfortunately we got morons like Trump and others that wanna break up the EU just paving the way for them to seize the world stage.

I kinda like the idea of "If you can't get your shit together, you don't get this privilege." You get people in public transportation who are assholes relative to others ( smoke, loud, drinking ) why should I have to get affected by them ? (This is for government owned companies not private services )

Calm your horse, Buster. I said I like the idea rather than the implementer. By the way, local businesses can ban people from their services ( if warranted ), so how is this any different ?

Well that happened an awful lot faster than expected, I was thinking their rollout of their social credit system would take a lot longer.

It's going to be one hell of a culture shock when visiting China in the future.

Wouldn't have been that big of a problem if Mao Zedong hadn't purged half the country in a violent "cultural revolution". China's manners problem is one of giving people who have lived multiple generations and greater as peasant dirt slaves enough wealth to let them travel the world / giving them company holidays or whatever to other places. It's no different if you were to take a bunch of chavs or rednecks and ship them about en-mass. They're not majorly uncultured as a country, that's pretty bigoted to say, largely it's a problem of sending people who lived in mud shacks as basically feudal slaves to first world countries and then assuming they'll act with modern European manners that many of them have never even learned about due to modern Chinese government censorship and shit anyway.

Imagine having to contain "trouble makers" in your country rather than letting them leave to be someone else "problem". Seems kinda counter intuitive.

If they're in another country presumably China can't control them.