I read the article, and I'm wondering why we don't see the same thing with black women?
possibly just a lack of data due to women not having much of a role other than homemakers for a long time in american society
The article, if I read it correctly, seems to imply that there's a correlation between family structure and economic success that disproportionately affects black males. Theres an implication that in black families in the US, fathers are more absent than in white families. According to the article it may affect native american males as well. It suggests that the lack of a strong father figure or figures, in combination with societal racial discrimination, really hurts black and native American men in the long run. Whereas there isn't as much of an absence of mothers and mother figures, and probably not as much discrimination against them either. Unless I really misread what was presented!
hmm interesting... but it is not surprising, that is just one reason we have movements like BLM.
what are black families doing wrong that white families aren't?
Besides being discriminated against?
Non-marital births are more than twice as common among black mothers as white mothers, and black children are almost three times as likely as white children to be living with a single parent.
Demographic trends and economic well
So they start off on a worse footing the majority of the time as it is. But this doesn't account for why a black kid from a rich family is more likely to end up poor than a similar white kid.
Maybe it's the media culture surrounding African Americans with money as opposed to Caucasians with money? Think of movies or music with rich black guys, they're mostly rap stars who talk about blowing money on hookers and coke and cars, and white rich people are portrayed as businessmen (Wolf of Wallstreet, for example) and badass but collected hitmen etc.
They did a psychology study where simply telling a classroom of students "girls tend to do a little worse on this test than boys" had drastic effects on how girls took the test, and they started to do worse simply out of self perception. The test worked the same exact way with boys, too. I can only imagine what the perpetuation of stereotypes in our culture is doing to hamper progress.
Yeah I'm sure racism is the sole reason for this. What a stupid headline.
who gives a shit about rich people
where's the graph showing how 99 percent of poor people regardless of their race stay poor and only get poorer
I think we can pretty much assume that low- and high-class people aren't playing Trading Spaces with their economic tiers, if this many wealthy blacks are falling into poverty it seems pretty apparent that low-class blacks are staying where they are.
I find this study very interesting, it's not something I've thought about before. You don't seem to have a very solid case with which to dismiss this data entirely.
Rich kids turning poor because they wasted all of daddy's inheritance money is nothing new and isn't limited to black people. Almost all inherited family fortunes are completely blown out the ass within one or two generations. This isn't racism, this is a case of spoiled brats and cherry picked data.
The data clearly shows a systemic difference in behavior between white and black people. You seem to be ignoring this.
Ah. So it's not racism, it's just a black people thing.
can you explain why white people who are born rich stay rich?
Except they don't. By the time they have kids that money is gone and they go to being regular old jack-offs like the rest of us.
70% of Rich Families Lose Their Wealth by the Second Generation ..
what are you even saying here? "it's not racism, it's just a socioeconomic effect exclusive to this race"? or "this study is bad for concluding that its research into race may have actually discovered racism"?
This study literally shows that when you account for family structure the divide remains, when you account for income, the divide remains, account for area, the divide remains. It takes all of the key arguments for class being more important than race and demonstrates that accounting for them still leaves black men behind similar white men. It does also show that black boys are more affected by the absence of male parental figures in their lives (whether their own parents or others), but the key takeaway from this is that simply being a black man is enough to make you fall behind in life. That's a pretty solid indicator that racism is still having a significant effect on people's lives.
The study, based on anonymous earnings and demographic data for virtually all Americans now in their late 30s, debunks a number of other widely held hypotheses about income inequality. Gaps persisted even when black and white boys grew up in families with the same income, similar family structures, similar education levels and even similar levels of accumulated wealth.
emphasis mine, just in response to accusations that it's cherry picked.
boy this news article doesn't really source any of the claims or data that it's talking about
Uhhhhhhhh. I'm not sure what you're trying to imply but a long-ass history of racism has created a really fucked up system of socioeconomic disprivileges that work entirely against black peoples' favor. That system that systemically fucks a single race over doesn't necessarily need to be driven by any modern-day racism (although it definitely still is.)
I just wanna know where the racism is. Where's the public lynchings and the cross burnings and the jim crow or, y'know, the hatred of someone because of their skin colour.
It might not be the sole reason. There may be a cultural difference that contributes, along with other things (such as family connections). But to imply that institutional racism doesn't play a significant role is ignorant at best. Studies have shown that people with "black sounding names" get called back for jobs less than people with white sounding names. This kind of bias is something that affects all levels of socioeconomic status.
Here's the study, in case you were wondering:
http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html
You don't have to be killed or attacked to suffer from racism. Things like stereotypically black names on CVs lowering interview rates, unconscious biases and stereotypes about black men can all lead to major effects on people's lives without being as overtly racist as a lynching.
You can have racism without violence and without outspoken hatred. You live in the United States, same as I do, the signs of it are all around us.
When we had a black president, for all eight of his years in office the public and media oh-so-barely concealed their contempt for him on a racial basis. Any Fox News piece relevant to Obama during that entire eight years shows racism with a little bit of reading between the lines.
Look at gerrymandering and voter manipulation/suppression. There is a targeted effort in this country to prevent blacks from voting, and when they do, to make their vote count for as little as possible. The South has maintained its Republican political dominance for decades by doing this. A black vote in the South is much harder to get in the ballot box than a white vote, and voting districts are drawn across blatantly racial lines to minimize what a black vote actually means.
The poorest black neighborhoods are in worse shape and far more numerous than the worst white neighborhoods, and it's by a combination of design and neglect. Ghettoes were engineered in the early-mid 20th century to keep blacks "in their place," similar to the Jewish ghettoes set up by the Nazis. Counties with large black populations get less funding to schools, keeping children in the cycle of poverty. Keep in mind, much of this isn't maintained by some dude cackling and rubbing his hands together as he Oppresses The Blacks™️, it's well-meaning policymakers trapped in the confines of the oppressive systems of yesteryear.
I don't think I even need to get into the issue of police brutality, it's been proven over and over and over that the amount of black people arrested is wildly disproportionate to the amount of white people arrested. Even accounting for crime rates, the difference is shocking. That's an institutional system of oppression. It keeps black people in prisons and locks them into the system of recidivism.
Racism isn't simple. It thrives off of being difficult to understand and convoluted as all hell. Understanding it is an important step to fighting it.
...How long do you think Jim Crow hasn't been a thing? It was only in 1965 that they stopped being enforced due to federal intervention. Segregation and racism is deeply embedded into the foundations and roots of this country. Racism doesn't have to be as explicit as public lynchings to have an adverse affect on minority communities - many cities are still severely segregated and economically disadvantaged because of predatory housing practices, redlining, etc.
Poverty is cyclical, especially poverty informed by and reinforced by insular, segregated communities that continue to feel the reverberations of institutional racism.
You know anyone who wants to can just interpret this as "Black people are naturally inferior of course they do badly."
I feel like I've already seen hints of that in this thread.
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