A tried and true player quitting, but why? - General Discussion

As someone who thoroughly loves this game in an out with every fiber of my being, I can safely say that Rust is in my top 5 games of all time, but I don't want to play anymore, and I don't think I ever will again. Why? Simple. Hackers, and the lack of honest effort to keep them in check. They run rampant and destroy the integrity of any server they happen to prey upon. They take the hundreds of hard hours dedicated players put into the game, shit on it, gut it, and leave it out to dry. Sure people get banned all the time... after the player in question has had several hours to a day of free range rampaging. I bought rust a little over a year ago, I think, and every time I have stopped playing before a month wipe ended, was due to a cheater headshotting dead instantly no matter what, ESPing straight into my fucking lootroom, and then straight into my TC and ruining my base. I don't mind dying, I don't mind losing, hell, i don't mind getting raided, its all part of the game I love. But one thing I absolutely cannot stand is having the game ruined for me by fucking cheaters, and it happens on such a mass scale in this game that it actually makes me physically ill to think about. I take breaks and come back, telling my self "Maybe this wipe will be different", but it never is. It ends the same way every time. The saddest part of this is that active admins around the clock would not be a hard thing to implement. Hell, im sure lots of the games player base would gladly take on the duty free of charge at this point. Flame me, troll me, call me a pussy, I dont really care, my point is valid, and the problem I preach is tragically real. Until Facepunch steps their game up on this matter, I am not touching Rust, and I don't care what anyone says, this game isn't a real out-of-early-access-game until dying from 0.0m away with 50 thompson headshots is no longer an ingame feature. Peace

20 days of surviving reduced to nothing in a matter of 10 minutes, and spam dying through walls via Silent Aim. Very enjoyable, will not be playing again.

damn...what servers do (did?) you guys play on? I see an occasional speedhacker, and couple no-recoil guys, but nothing as crazy as described above... So far I've successully banned 3 hackers over a 5 month period. I play official Us East Facepunch for the record.

You are just as bad as they are by implying everyone NEEDS this and advertising it. In fact, I think you are full of shit and trying to pull this cry baby routine PURPOSELY to advertise a damn hack.

Click the screenshot. 0.0m headshots come from where again? How hard is that to code out. It's not possible to shoot someone from 0.0m, that's inside of your model.

I wouldn't know. Only thing I do know is I apparently am lucky as all hell as I never seem to run into cheaters when I do play Rust on an official.

This thing sucks, he can barely kill a guy at 2:40 - who is actually fighting back. (from behind the rocks). Also keep in mind that most of these "super hack montages" are overinflated and fake. I.e they show footage of hacks that no longer work (hack seller don't care if user buys and gets immediately banned - they already got the money). Or they show outright fake footage, that is potentially just edited. And in this specific one you posted its not even clear if he is killing the people - it shows a little red scull, but I never see him looting or the little "white person icon" does not change to show a body, so how do you know if he's shooting a live player or a corpse... Now that is not to say that there is no hacks or ESP or aim-bots. There certainly are. But I dont think they are as blatant as some of these videos show. From what Im hearing - most widespread are "privates" - i.e. private cheats, such as people using no-recil scripting that comes with their mouse software.

Honestly, I don't care if they look at it or not. The only thing I'm waiting for is to see if all of them get banned so they collectively lose about $500. Only thing I really care about at this point.

facepunch us east 2 Just this wipe I witnessed a couple of speedhackers skittering across the landscape who didn't seem to notice me. Its truly tragic to see such a good game in such a sorry state. The problem isn't people not getting banned for hacks, according to my notifications on this site, it clearly happens in due time. The problem is just that, "In due time". This is the kind of game where if a hacker isn't dealt with immediately, the damage they wreak is enough to ruin an entire wipe for legitimate players. There's no damage compensation, no undo button, nothing. Just ruin left at your feet at the hands of third party software. If automatic anti cheat methods aren't working, then active server admins are the only answer.

got raided by a speedhacker last night. My 2nd base...so Im done for this wipe. I have no more stuff... I reported them, and alas! https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/113309/84bf7683-0a14-492e-8163-607d77e8c344/image.png Steam Community <-- Profile Link https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/113309/db89476a-220f-4324-bbe2-4104d04df8f3/image.png This is some serious fucking bullshit...

I always find it so funny that everyone cries. Hey honestly, when the wipe comes your base is gone anyway, so what are you crying when you are raided by a cheater. Nothing in Rust is of long standing. And I'm sorry, I have a lot more hours in the game and I haven't met as many hackers as you. But you are probably also just bad and call anyone who kills you a hacker. Except for those that might actually hack. You're just all super big howls when it bothers you - then fuck off. Garry and no one else cares why you're not playing anymore. Goodbye, don't come back, weep somewhere else.

https://imgur.com/a/fRCCR The group who raided us all got reported and banned. I don't call hacks when I die, I call hacks when people are hacking. I have shadowplay recordings of it in action, not that I owe forum trash like you the time of day. They were hacking, and players have the right to complain when other players are using cheats to ruin the game they paid for. The only people who would condone or justify such actions are people who endorse and use such cheats. That, or judging by how much time you probably waste trolling this forum, people trying to be some kind of self-pleasing hardass trying to gain some kind of clout that doesn't exist. I don't care if the devs care or not, I'm going to keep making noise until either something comes of it for the good of the game as a whole, or I get banned for trying.

Sure sounds like you are indeed a hacker your self and trying to twist the truth here

yeee im hacking you can see this at my stream - cause I stream everytime when I play Rust.

but do you really stream every time?

Maybe he's the one non-hacking guy in a group of hackers, he's the one to reauth and bag the new toons when they create a new steam profile and buy a new copy of rust and gives those 1 hour played hacker accounts access to all the loot they've accumulated over the course of the server. We have 1 in the group of korean hackers on my server that never gets banned, but he's also never the one getting repeated headshots at 500+ meters with an SMG, warping through walls and one shotting us in the face with a torch, speedhacking to our spawns to instantly kill us, etc. As far as I'm concerned, when they find a group of hackers they need to ban every single person in the group whether or not they use hacks. If you're profiting from someone else hacking you're just as guilty.

I only read the first sentences. Im playing solo and I stream everytime ;)

Except you're dismissing people's opinions on the topic about people who hack and how it's a bad experience that they'd rather quit than suffer through by saying, 'nothing is permanent in rust!' That's not an excuse. If this was a pure FPS game and what was wasted was 10-20 minutes per match and we occasionally encountered people using cheats, okay...it would suck when that happens but it's not like we invest a whole lot. People would still complain but it's part of the genre of games unfortunately that is a constant battle to address. Except it's not. This is Rust, where we can easily spend 15+ hours building up our bases, researching stuff, and gathering components only to have all the time spent wasted by someone cheating and then we have to start over from scratch. All the while, people who cheat and get banned have their bases intact. They can simply log back in on a new account, use the codes they already know to get back into their bases, or have friends who bag them and make the process even easier. This needs to be addressed in some way to discourage people from using hacks. The only opinion of you people are going to walk away with is that you're either complicit with cheaters or you are one when you attempt to mock or insult people who were the victims of cheaters. If you don't want people to think that about you, then perhaps you could try a different approach to the topic.

I've been raided with ESP more than once and I've already got some unnatural headshots. AND WHAT DO I CARE? It is just so and you will never have any game where there are no CHeaters, they are part of every game inventory. But such a weeping nation like you is not surprised that you feed these people with your crying and they will do it over and over again. And then you cry around here in the forum, get on the developers' nerves, tell them about their problems they all know better than you do, that you stop playing. What the fuck kind of pussies are you? Ehy, if a HAcker attacks me, then I face him and try everything to do that he does not make it and if he does, I have just had bad luck. But I don't go to a forum and cry, five minutes later. Pussys, nothing more.

Here's the thing, if you want to have those experiences and don't care good for you. If you want to complain about and/or insult people sharing they having a legitimate issue with the game, the only thing I can say is thanks for continuing to bump posts on the topic because that's about the only thing it actually accomplishes. Your opinion of me or the issue, based upon what you said above, means nothing to me. The issue is absolutely worth complaining about and making sure the developers are exactly aware of the impact this behavior has on the game and there's nothing you can do to stop people from doing so. As an aside, appeals to emotion are fallacious. Would such an excuse work in any other competitive form of entertainment? Baseball, basketball, football, magic the gathering, poker, Heroes of the Storm, Overwatch, I'm just tossing out random forms of competitive entertainment here...but your argument is laughable when applied to any of them. And it's no different with Rust.

That doesn't somehow manke you a "winner". If not a loser - but at least just an insignificant (ignorant) voice. Not caring about the problem, only prolifirates it further...or so say all the activists... And for the record - we are not crying (well not all of us), many of us are reporting cheaters and trying to spread further awareness to the DEV team of how important (and how acute) the cheater CANCER is becoming. If you were getting mugged on the street and you tried to call police for help - would you think it would be fair to call yourself a useless crybaby? OR would you be just a person trying to exercise his own right for public safety?

this guy was raiding my base while i was in radtown. i ganked him from behind with a long burst from my thommy, and he managed to turn around and headshot me with his ak before he dies. in the middle of burst. luckily, i have already made sheet metal doors and codelock and managed to place it just the millisecond before i died. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/197/f6a5bd74-dd64-464f-b521-8181932e529c/28238549_186674092098451_4895281419657707124_o.jpg

Yep. Tonight I had one experience where I just shook my head. Me and a buddy were out scouring the landscape checking for decaying bases, looking to see who we could sneak up on, etc. We caught a guy standing outside a (presuming) spawn base of his with his back to us. We gun him down quickly before he realizes we are there from about 20 meters away. He's carrying an SMG and ammo but nothing else. We kill him, loot him, and keep moving. About 2.5 minutes later we're a ways away down on the beach checking out a twig building that's seemingly replaced a big base that used to be there. Nothing in it, no doors, etc. We spend maybe 10 seconds there and see another one down the beach from us just at the edge of draw distance so we start running that way. Mind you the entire time we're moving away from the place we encountered that guy at. Out of the blue my buddy in front of me just dies. A second later I'm dead as well, I barely had time to look around, see him, and fire a single shot. We checked the combatlog, the entire thing lasted about 2 seconds from start to finish. It was 1.3 seconds for me and less than that for my friend. He only fired 5 shots, all of which hit, 4 out of 5 were headshots on moving targets at 100+m with an AK. I'm highly skeptical about how it went down, but that's not all. He knew exactly where we were and took the time to respawn, heal to full, grab an AK and ammo, and come after us and magically he guesses exactly where we were. And I get it, some players are awesome at shooters but a very large number of players I encounter in this game have no problem getting repeated head shots on automatic weapons. A guy, let's call him P, one of the people who raided my base about a week or so back was getting 9/10 shots as headshots, in the dark, for about 5 hours straight. His buddy got banned almost immediately after the raid ended, though that was the one warping through walls and one shotting people with torches. That was far from the only shenanigans going on. They ESP'd our TC, rocketed directly to it, destroyed it and place another, and then bailed because our autoturrets kept killing them. We reclaimed the base after they left. I encountered P again in the open world numerous times after that night and suddenly he can't shoot for shit. Hell, I killed him multiple times. But mysteriously that one evening during the raid, in the dark or not, he was 90%+ headshots? The disparity between the ones who cheat and the ones that don't is so blatant it's laughable.

Raised the issue with helk, He rubbed his tears away with 100 dollar bills profited from all the hackers account. then said fuck off.

https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/113309/b326fc73-c3f8-4aa4-8a9a-64ff5f1e7f64/image.png Steam Community https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/113309/235af9c1-c06d-4dcf-88d4-651f6c326662/image.png Steam Community and Steam Community The above 3 were the guys who countered us and took our rocket launcher, while "spawning" bullets on top of us (yes the headshots were behind a wall, at 0 meters) - the bullets were literally being spawned inside our heads killing us... https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/113309/f99468e0-1b24-45af-9978-cd53910224fb/image.png (don't have the above profile as this was linked in Discord) ^

Because streamers are all legit players and dont get banned all the time?!!? HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA Good thing you stream to 4 people and think that proves a god damn thing

I think that's actually legit. You'll see there's distances on his shots, they didn't just snap and materialize inside of your head. People get fluke shots all the time. The not-legit ones you will NEVER forget if you see it. The shots have no travel time, are not affected by anything in the material world, and no amount of armored walls or doors will save you from them spawning inside of your character models head.

Steam Community https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/113309/810c5b5a-94ee-4750-9c3a-e911c986ec3f/image.png This is all US East Facepunch 2... cant wait for BP wipe to get off this server...