• Parliament must have power to stop 'No Deal' Brexit, says Labour
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tell your party leader that. someone has to stand up against brexit period.
Coming from the party that just kicked out a member for expressing a desire for another referendum? Uhhhh
Unrelated note: I find it so cool that the word 'Parliament' is enough for people to assume it means the UK. Anywhos, Labour isn't really in a position to say stuff like this when Corbyn seems adamant to flipflop and just watch Brexit proceedings occur. Regardless of whether you support Brexit or despise the idea of it, a widespread argument at the moment is that Labour needs to be clearer on how it interprets the 2016 referendum and how it responds to the outcome. Independent contradictions of the overall party message are known to demonstrate inefficiency, as seen by Boris being unable to shut up in his attempts to undermine May.
To be honest I see nothing wrong with letting Parliament have the final say. Their word is needed legally for e.g. ratifying treaties anyway. Not great coming from Corbyn tho.
Yeah they need to just be like 'Yeah uhh we're not Brexiting, goodbye'. Yeah and people say Washington or Congress or DC means the will of all 320,000,000 Americans, too. That's just how these things are said.
I think the word 'Brexit' was what gave it away
oh shit good point
Lib Dems remain the only party committed to staying in the EU
So if the deal isn't good enough (which i would have a hard time seeing), it goes back to the negotiating table? Given the time it has taken to get here, i get the feeling that the UK would be past the deadline by then. I tried to find out what would happen if the final negotiation bill was voted down close to the the deadline and sent back for more negotiations, and i found a source that thinks that it doesn't matter for the overall process. https://publiclawforeveryone.com/2017/10/16/can-parliament-block-a-no-deal-brexit/ I recommend reading it, it seems to cover the topic pretty well but the conclusion at the end states: So can Parliament block a ‘no deal’ or a ‘bad deal’ Brexit? The answer must be that it cannot do so unilaterally unless the UK’s Article 50(2) notification is unilaterally revocable, in which case Parliament could insist that the UK Government withdraws that notification if Parliament decides that no acceptable deal has been reached. But, as noted above, it is far from clear that the UK’s notification can be unilaterally revoked. The United Kingdom Parliament may be sovereign when it comes to UK law. But it has set in train a process that is now unfolding in EU law and which (if Article 50 is not unilaterally revocable) it cannot itself determine. Therein lies one of the (many) delicious ironies of Brexit. The ultimate objective might be ‘taking back control’ (whatever that means), but it involves a process from which control — at least from the perspective of UK parliamentarians — is notable by its absence. It really seems like there is now less then a year back and no one has really grasped how this works and are just trying to look bad. I mean, Theresa May pissed away both time and leverege with that vote after the referendum result, both things she really needs more of.
Glad to see labour finally get off their arses and say something about Brexit, it's only 2 years too late
I think it's Brexit and Labour that makes it clear we're talking UK.
I wasn't being facetious. I was serious. I'm a bit of a History nerd so I do find it really cool that 'Parliament' is enough for people to think UK. Just like 'the Queen' is often associated with Queen Elizabeth II.
Except we don't? Parliament in most people's minds can be close to any western democracy, and I personally certainly don't make the connection before I see 'Brexit'. Now, it's another case for Congress and Senate and whatever. That's US right away. Ain't nobody else calls their parliament something dumb like that. Certainly not Denmark. Where it's called the Peoplething. Brilliant name, 10/10.
Perhaps I was too general in the sweeping use of 'people'. Some do, because I've interacted with them. Clearly your experiences are different to mine.
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