A new poll found that a majority of Americans support a radical change... - Polidicks

http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-medicare-for-all-public-option-bernie-sanders-plan-support-2018-3 Take that, center-right "pragmatists".

I wish majority opinion was meaningful

Be careful what you wish for, especially given what "majority opinion" has given us in the past two years.

Take what? It's been known, polling-wise, for awhile that we've needed a move to a universal care system. Things change when actual attempts are prepared, taxes unveiled (e.g. vermont/ca), etc. but it's gonna happen eventually.

The thing with universal healthcare is that it'll benefit a massive part of the populace if passed. The issue is that a hand full of people aren't going to make as much money if a universal healthcare is put into place. Our government cares more about shareholders, lobbyists, and other people who profit off of this. Instead of the millions upon millions of Americans that are getting screwed over daily by this shit. Surprised we haven't had a massive uproar about this shit yet. Though, can probably thank the brainwashing monster that is FOX and Sinclair.

Please don't use ellipses at the end of thread titles. Thanks!

overthrow the state

If that really mattered the House would have fewer Reps and more Dems, and orange Hitler wouldn't have been elected.

but thats gommunism

Why “Take that, centre-right pragmatists”? A hybrid public-private healthcare system, like implemented in Australia and throughout Europe and one that 75% of Americans support according to this poll, is literally both a centre-right policy and a pragmatic policy.

because winning polls is the only thing they can get at this point

Because he's forgotten dumb zingers don't get you zinger ratings anymore.

Because during the last election, a significant number of Democrats supported people like Hillary Clinton over others like Bernie Sanders while loudly crowing that America "isn't ready for radical change" and that the only way to really win is to "be more pragmatic," which essentially just boiled down to capitulating on any ideas or motions that would upset "moderate Democrats," who now seem to be a mythical creature slightly more rare than an Alot but with more charm and nuance than a Unicorn.

I don't know what alternate reality you're living in where the moderate democrat doesn't exist. They're the people who shot Bernie down during the primary, (well, them and black voters.) If they're so rare how come they keep beating out "progressive" alternatives everywhere?

pragmatics in the US are the reason the ACA had no public option and was totally written for the insurance industry

No, the public option was killed by a democrat dying in office and a republican replacing him in Massachusetts of all states and the last democrat needed to overthrow the republican gerrymander saying he won't support the public option to pass ACA, so they cut it to get his vote. It literally came down to that.

Well Emperor Cheeto had less votes (like Bush) so yeah, majority opinion would be nice.

I'm one of them. Single payer would be a MASSIVE increase in my own quality of life, as well as that of my family. We're all pretty damn poor and none of us can afford regular checkups much less an actual hospital visit, and so all of us likely carry around minor, treatable things that we can't afford to do anything about. Ridiculous that we are forced into either this or literal bankruptcy and I'm all for a healthcare system that helps the hundreds of millions of people that are in the same healthcare situation I'm in.

Hearing stuff like this is surreal to me. The other week I discovered I was suffering from something relatively minor, but something that was worrying even so- and could have been a symptom of something very serious. Walked into hospital, actually approached the wrong department by mistake- even so I was seen by a specialist, without an appointment, after a only 30 minute wait. Turns out ive probably got nothing to worry about, but they sent some tests off anyway. Didn't cost me a penny- and this is while the NHS is actively under attack by the current right-wing government. At a hospital they plan to shut down. I can't imagine just putting up with illness and just praying you don't drop dead one day, because you couldn't afford to visit the doctor. It's disgusting that it happens in a developed nation.

Heh. I'm 28 years old and I've never been in a dentist's office because of the same reason. My teeth are awful, six kinds of crooked(probably well beyond simple braces to fix), but there's nothing I can do about it except hope they don't fall out.

Christ I didn't even consider that. Imagine being handed a bill every time you have ever been beaten up by a group of drunks or something and end up hospitalised. That's insane.

Mmhm, and disregarding the above guy's ridiculous politicizing there(Such incidents are nowhere near as common as he's implying), it is fucking ridiculous that malicious and/or negligent acts of others leave you/your family saddled with fucking massive bills that there's zero hope of ever paying down. Something far far more likely...the car crash...puts hundreds of thousands of Americans in debt every year, and it's almost always because their medical bills almost immediately exceed the at-fault party's auto insurance policy's coverage. I think the federal minimum is 50,000 per person and most people seldom have more than that because it costs money to up that coverage.

I don't know if you know what Hillary's healthcare platform was Or have even read Bernie's medicare for all bill.

In saying "Take that, center-right 'pragmatists'", rather than saying: "I believe that this is the pragmatic solution to the problem, because people want it, and it would make a positive change." I believe that you are causing anyone who considers themselves to possibly be a 'center-right pragmatist' to jump immediately to trying to figure out why you're wrong rather than trying to figure out if you just might be right. This is just my opinion, and I can't force you to talk the way I want you to. I'm just saying the reason that I think this would get this (in my opinion, very very good) idea closer to being the consensus opinion. We came to "racism is untrue and evil" as the consensus opinion, so we know that it's possible for societies to embrace certain fundamental truths, and we couldn't bludgeon anyone into doing it, we just had to learn from them and teach them why being nice gets you much better results than racism does. The fact we're still trying to force people (with our own forceful, angry language) not to talk racist is why people still do it. Push on humans and humans will always push back eventually, even if you were pushing something GOOD on them.

Sorry for both being late to responded you back and most articles, I find unfortunately have long titles to can't fit the thread title size.

We came to "racism is untrue and evil" as the consensus opinion, so we know that it's possible for societies to embrace certain fundamental truths, and we couldn't bludgeon anyone into doing it, we just had to learn from them and teach them why being nice gets you much better results than racism does. I feel you should read up on the American Civil War and the Black Rights Movement if you think 'we couldn't bludgeon anyone into doing it'. You seem to be under the impression that both those things were solved with a carebear-esque 'hugout' throughout. Nobody taught them 'being nice will get you much better results'. What was taught was 'we're not going to take you being bad to us anymore and you will be held responsible for your racism if you continue to employ it'.

Can't say I disagree. I have Medicaid and it's great. Zero co-pay on anything, and I've been able to get a lot of things checked out that I wouldn't have been able to before. Got an MRI done and a couple of X-rays. Only beef I've had is that due to the (Republican) budgeting last year, I was turned down for new shoe inserts to help with my feet.

We really need to take state's control away from medicaid, or at least severely curtail it. It's downright malicious that some republican states quite literally turned down free medicaid money just to fight OBUMMERCARE, and you have situations where medicaid is pretty nice in California, but almost impossible to get onto in Texas.

Wait, what? How the fuck? How does a 30min ride cost 10 grands?

Because ambulances are run by private companies and you're in no position to negotiate when you're in the back of an ambulance.