Trump not the 1st to send troops to Mexican border; Bush and Obama did it too - Polidicks

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/03/trump-mexico-wall-military-guards-obama-bush-not-first-president Some points to consider: Bush's National Guard deployment built infrastructure such as roads and fences and conducted surveillance on the ground and in the air, but left it to the border patrol to make arrests – because of the troops’ lack of expertise in border enforcement and limits on the tasks that active duty military forces can perform domestically. The National Border Patrol Council, a union, welcomed the help of the National Guard in conducting aerial surveillance. But a 2012 report by the Government Accountability Office questioned the usefulness of the Bush and Obama operations, which together cost about $1.35bn. The report found that there were some benefits from the cooperation, such as a deterrent effect on criminals, and building relationships between various law enforcement branches, but the military’s border assistance was “ad hoc” and lacking a precise role in a clearly-defined strategy. In other words, just throw tax money and troops at it will fix the border. Even though it won't, because it's been tried twice.

"Yeah but both of those guys suck, I'm much smarter than any of them, maybe at least three times as smart. I have a very good brain, I can make it work! NEED WALL!" - Trump @ 2AM tonight.

im curious what actual guardsmen think of this

The GOP is just using illegal immigrants as a scapegoat for their shit economic policies that nobody likes, not even in states that voted for Trump.

This is how Trump's brain views the USA-Mexican Border... http://benniubalavucat1.weebly.com/uploads/5/4/7/2/54728927/8134217_orig.jpeg

yeah, he overestimates the mexicans way too much, they're weak

the steel tarrifs have been tried by every republican since regan and they haven't worked either. that's not gonna stop anybody in this admin from running around on fire shouting for more gasoline

I doubt they care and the ones that do will be happy to get some work. I mean it's stupid work but at least they're not being deployed to a warzone, or a natural disaster where they're checking houses for dead bodies.

Most of the Guardsmen are most likely conservative and support it or don't care and are happy to be doing anything instead of just endless training. Though most would rather they deploy to a warzone or do aid relief because contrary to popular thought, most military units itch to do that sorta thing.

INstead they're getting plinked at by MS13 and fishing dead Mexicans out of the Texan, Arizonan, New Mexican and Californian badlads near the border. Doubt that's much of an improvement...

I hate to ruin the Trump fallacy for you, but cartels and gangs are shooting at Americans near the border.

I won't get called up for it, so I don't really give a shit. If I were getting called up for it, I still wouldn't give a shit, as long as they payed me for my time.

What a waste of taxpayer money

That's partly wrong. You forget that because they HAVE these catapults that the wall needs to be see-through so that we can see incoming barrages.

That's pretty much what I said, but you're leaving out the drug mules that try to hike across the badlands and dehydrate themselves to death carrying 40, 50, 60 pound bales of weed like backpacks.

They more than likely would be excited for that.

suppose i need to go play RTW again

I wouldn't be. I'd rather be pulling people out of a storm-ravaged hellscape than get shot at by cartel muscle.

Because the left's policies of gang raping our economy are great right?

So what makes the right wing's gang raping so appealing to you?

please elaborate on this

willfully ignores trump burning down the economy right now with his trade war with china.

He's probably one of the lucky mugs who got a whole $2 extra a week so he doesn't care.

Having National Gaurd on the border isn't a bad idea. But as the report said, the cost run ups were due to a lack of a cohesive strategy. If we could create an effective strategy I would imagine we could cut costs significantly but we would need the Military and various Enforcement branches testing out different systems which would be expensive at first.

The left's goal is equality of outcome. How is this achieved? Raising minimum wage which forces employers to hire fewer people which means more people on government aid. Taxing the rich, who pay 87% of income tax, which causes them to leave the country taking jobs with them. Not to mention imposing environmental 'friendly' laws that kill jobs and income of businesses.

I guess there right's goal is to kill the government and devour it's corpse like vultures, because that's exactly what trump's been doing.

Yet the current minimum wage is too low to sustain anything but poverty level lifestyle. When you have households with 1-2 people working full time jobs and still collecting welfare, then something isn't right. Surely the economy would be healthier if more Americans had money to spend? You mean the jobs they already outsourced decades ago? And where are these rich people gonna go? Options for first world countries are pretty limited since they generally have higher taxes than we do. So they are just going to go live in some second and third world countries then? Because short-term profit is more important than the future of the human race.

If by "the rich" you mean "the top 20%", then I should certainly hope they pay "87% of income tax" (source needed) because they own 87% of the fucking wealth. • U.S. wealth distribution in 2017 | Statistic

So in your mind it's acceptable for companies to pay an employee who works 40 hours a week well below the poverty line? Also, that "rich pay 87% of income tax" bit? You are ignoring that the very rich also disproportionately control our wealth to an absurd degree, beyond any point in american history. 40% of the country's wealth belongs to the top 1% of Americans. I'm not going to bother argue against you whining about """"""friendly"""""" environmental laws since you obviously seem to care more about corporate bottom lines then having fucking habitable planet.

I mean, it isn't but you're free to imagine whatever alternate realities you like to You've never had any issue with existing in entirely fictional sets of facts before eh?