so, their reasoning is to “confront any development of parallel societies in Austria,”?
ok
If your culture is 'threatened' by schoolgirl's fashion choices, your culture is already dead.
Well, that's blatant xenophobia
It's pretty obvious what they mean if you've ever experienced any region with religious fundamentalist societies.
A prominent example of this is the Hasidic jewish population, which this is a fantastic documentary on;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBPn5oQNutI
Seems ironic to force these headscarves off when the whole reason headscarves are bad is because they're forced on women. I can see what they mean though, if youre so deluded in your religion as to believe women are lesser citizens and must do certain things then dont be surprised when a modern government doesnt respect it
one of us is literally one of the shittiest films to cover haredi jews and leaving the religion, its a super complex topic and netflix took that topic and made it into a short film that uses extreme outlier cases
anyway, this law doesnt really make sense, most Muslim girls dont start wearing the hijab until puberty iirc, kindergardeners wouldnt be wearing that
You have any better suggestions? I'm probably gonna watch that because I currently live in a extremely hasidic neighborhood in montreal!
It covers, pertains to, and only claims to pertain to, a certain community of them. And unless all the victims were lying for the camera, I'm not sure what's wrong with the film.
Better suggestions to go and learn more about hasidic people or to learn more about leaving the religion?
documentaries about hasidic people or books, whatever. I don't know if one of us is really trying to represent hasidic jews as a whole anyway, no more than Jesus Camp was trying to represent all christians
From a policy that will do literally nothing to arguing about jews in 4 posts, welcome to 4chan.
That's the bit that doesn't jive well with me. They surely must be aware of that? It makes it seem like the law is just an attack on Muslims and not an actual sensible law put in place to accomplish anything.
I feel like this is less about protecting little girls and all about invisibilizing muslim caretakers.
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How is a headscarf 'bad for social development'?
How is being taught from an early age that you need to hide your body lest you tempt someone to fuck you not bad for social development? In Kindergarten no less, when kids still run around naked?
Headscarves are misoginistic and primitive. Children are obviously forced to wear them and brainwashed, and grow up getting used to be inferior to men and set aside. This is not about 'anyone can wear what they like', it's about a very specific bigoted and harmful tradition which needs to end. Headscarves have absolutely no place in modern, civil society.
let people do whatever the fuck they want, wear a headscarf, don't wear one. I don't give a fuck.
And country's governments have the right to "do whatever the fuck they want". At what point does my freedom to do "whatever the fuck I want" encroach on your own freedom?
I feel like there is just a lot of leeway given to religious beliefs because it is almost considered "legitimate" to have morals and societal norms informed by books written by madmen. Having to wear headscarves, to me, is HORRIBLE. The fact it is normalized is HORRIBLE. Is it enough to trick you that it isn't a violent form of oppression?
Telling women that the can't wear headscarves isn't oppression because...?
There is almost no Muslim girl that "just wants to wear a headscarf". They are all afraid of retribution or literally burning in hell forever I guess. At what point do they have a choice to wear them, exactly? They didn't have a choice to get indoctrinated into a religion, they didn't get a choice of which tenants their society follows, and it all comes down to a totally imaginary forced inequality.
And forcing women to wear headscarves isn't oppression either somehow?
People can wear whatever terrible clothes they want to wear.
I don't think you really understand why these women are wearing headscarves?
As a western, atheist dude no. But I don't think you understand why women wear headscarves any more than I do.
Well I'm pretty sure it's all their Holy Books ordering them to cover themselves and only show themselves to their family along with the implicit fear of eternal suffering, a common trope for religions it seems. I guess if we want to give some respect to these positions then maybe we should let them wear it lest they go to hell for our silly laws, but I'm more of the camp that these fake beliefs be cast aside.
headscarves are more cultural than religious, theres a few muslim women i know who dont wear any headscarves
lol dude a head scarf is a removable piece of clothing, it's not an irreversible act of physical mutilation.
Well I guess that's one reason, I'm sure they have other motivations for wearing headscarves
Also if you are arguing that kids are forced to wear headscarved from fear of burning in hell and are trying to counter that by making them not not wear them at all from fear of legal action against them/their parents, you didn't gave this a proper thought at all.
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