Planned Parenthood CEO: Kushner said funding depended on stopping abortions - Polidicks

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/abortion/381538-planned-parenthood-ceo-kushner-said-funding-depended-on-stopping This account is from her book.

Stopping legal abortions won't stop abortions, it just encourages unsafe, illegal abortions.

In a perfect world abortions don't exist not because they're illegal but because everyone is educated and informed properly of unsafe sex and is given the resources to safely have it and because parents will not feel pressured in the event that they have a kid due to the horrible system we have in place that deals with having a kind The same people that want abortions banned don't want to fund contraceptives and want to remove sex education, the two biggest things in reducing abortions to begin with.

Qortions aree such a small part of PP that its such a shit tactic to pull all of its funding because of it. Aso the republican mindset of caring about a kid till its out, then who cares.

"haha how is restricting/banning abortions shitting on the poor like just stop fucking haha" - Republicans. Combined with their shitty attitude of rape victims becoming impregnated it's a wonder they have any support at all. Oh wait, no it's not. Their base seemingly has this view of "It's never happened to ME so how could it POSSIBLY be a problem for anyone else?!" so it's not surprising at all that people support this medieval view.

Are you sure? Because I've seen people say the exact opposite on here.

And stopping rape leading to an unwanted pregnancy

Who?

people say a lot of dumb things

I agree.

I will never understand this line of reasoning. It only makes sense if you already don't have a problem with abortion as a concept. If you do happen to think that abortion ought to be illegal (ignoring the age of the fetus/baby at which it ought to be illegal), then the fact that it will still happen illegally is irrelevant. No one would say, "We shouldn't make theft illegal because theft would still happen, and it would be less safe."

A key difference between theft and illegal abortions is that unsafe medical procedures can kill the patient, which I would think pro life adherents would be against.

Did you really just pull a gun debate out of your ass?

We should arm all fetuses with glocks.

What are you talking about? I'm simply stating that I support this line of reasoning, I've seen people before state the opposite, and it's stupid.

Because, you're comparing the rights of a person's own body vs the right to have certain weapons. One saves lives and prevents hardships, the other is to just own something that can kill people. Its asinine but typical considering your line of thinking.

Gotta admit I think you're inferring a lot.

... and theft, when illegal, often leads to death because force is involved. In the end, it still doesn't address the issue, though. If you think the fetus, the specific week is irrelevant to the overall point, has a right to life, in the same way that you or I have a right to life, then the government is obligated to protect that life from being taken from it.

Dude, you are literally the only person here talking about guns. I'm talking about abortions, and how a ban on them won't work because women WILL find other ways, even if those ways are unsafe for them. Why are you so obsessed with guns in here?

Nah man you're thinking of like, burglary or grand theft auto. also the vast majority of safe legal abortions happen in the first trimester so you're arguing right past me, with some sort of weird person who thinks abortions should happen whenever. if an abortion does happen in the third trimester it's usually because the life of the mother is seriously at risk.

i wish jared kushner was aborted

Yeah, the safety of the people who are getting the abortions is irrelavent to the republican view point. That's not a reason to ban it.

Yeah because most people on fp is against abortions, thats what you meant.

I don't get what you're trying to say here. I've seen people try to argue that bans on abortion would work. I've also seen someone suggest land mines along the US border on here. I've seen some fucking stupid arguments on here (and I've even made some myself *gasp*). And this isn't to mention the stupid arguments I've seen people use irl. None of what I've said is far fetched.

A ban on abortions wouldn't work Who gives a fuck who said it would, they were wrong, historical precedent shows clearly that isn't the case or the reality of the situation, so again, why are you strawmanning

Generally, the safety of people doing an illegal thing is pretty irrelevant to law, yes. You say that as if it's some hateful attitude, but that's the way basically every law is. On the second part of your post, yes, that's why I said "IF... you think the fetus has a right to life, in the same way that you or I do." If you don't think it has those rights, then an argument about deaths caused by illegal abortions is irrelevant anyway because you're already fine with them being legal. The whole point of the argument is to address those who think it ought to be illegal, but it totally fails to address the concerns of the people making that argument. As a side note, there's nothing contradictory in both believing a fetus has a right to life and that we ought to teach comprehensive sex education. They are separate issues.

I think a fetus has a right to life but is superseded by the woman's right to bodily autonomy

The people who think it ought to be illegal cause undue and un-needed damage to society in the long run by fighting against sex education, and sexual help services. I don't care about the "hateful attitude". I care about the fact that one side wants to control what EVERYONE can do without being able to point to a solid reasoning beyond a moral conviction that isn't supported by statistics. Ban abortions, and all you've done is say "This isn't an issue we care about as a society. Fuck you". Destroying sexual health services, as the conservatives/republicans have done, and destroying sexual education, as the republican/conservatives have done creates a worse situation for everyone.

I think a not insignificant portion of people against abortions have been mislead by pro-life christian propoganda. I think you have a very reductive view on a complex issue.

No, see, that's not propaganda. That's just "facts" Only the left does "propaganda" doncha know