Actual reasons as to why Subforum Threads being in Parent Forums is a mess - General

As it is right now, the first page of both General Discussions and Games are overflowing with tagged threads and not only does that CLUTTER the parent forum, it also pushes threads for games and series that don't have a subforum. As of this post, there are only 5 threads (Technically 4 since somebody posted a TF2 thread in Games rather than the subforum) out of 40 threads not related to the subforums for Games. There's only 2 for GGD. @garry 's reasoning is because megathreads are stagnant and ~scare away~ new people who are trying to jump into the conversation or ask a specific question. Now why is this situation irrelevant? Because of the system you put into place Garry, with the notifications on replies and ratings. It's also contradictory to what you say about having people conversing or asking questions about individual topics, since the absolute overflow of threads that will be made for every single little thing will push threads down into the next page and the page after. By having separate threads on individual issues regarding a game or series, you're only making sure people read less about that particular game since they can selectively choose which threads to read, unlike a megathread where you get a ton of information or news that you otherwise would have skipped, contrary to your belief. Subforums are a good idea for subjects that need it, such as a Blizzard Games subforum or Nintendo, VR, etc. Not Mario, GTA, or Far Cry. And also not showing the threads in Games, otherwise what's the point of Games if everything but the subforum threads will get pushed down into obscurity? And regarding @Hezzy , what exactly do you want? Your words contradict Garry's actions, as you say that "some" Generals are fine, yet Garry locks them when the people in Automotives made a few for car manufacturers.

The idea that people should have their horizons broadened and having the forum filled with hundreds of threads for individual games are so counter-intuitive I can't believe Garry thinks they can work together. No one is going to find new games threads when the majority of threads in the games section are TF2 and DOTA threads. Why do subforum threads even show up in main forums? We had a solution to this years ago, just list the sub forum above the threads in the main forum. So in Games you have all the non-subforum games threads and no subforum threads, but at the top of the page you have links to each subforum. The same would apply to GD, instead of half the threads being about cars you have a link to Automotive Addicts at the top. Also, rather than destroying megathreads because they're 'stagnant' we should add a new thread type. Adding a "Help!" thread type which is automatically locked and sent to a subforum for solved issues would encourage people to seek help in new threads without causing people to post inane bullshit. I suggest this as an alternative to bounty threads as they should be archived in their own sub-forum so people can search for common problems with possible solutions. It would also drawy people to t he forum because we'd be solving the "I searched for a problem on google but the thread is deleted now" issue everyone has. Also, the new post a new thread for everything idea is encouraging massive shitposting. There are more empty threads for pointless shit now than there have ever been. That is FAR worse and more stagnant than having active megathreads. More subforums is a good idea, as is breaking up overly broad topics, but a blanket ban on megathreads is misguided and runs counter to the idea of getting people to see more topics.

Chances are Garry already has the ability to filter threads in a subforum planned. This was something that had been suggested and discussed in the past anyways so I don't see any reason to expect it not to be implemented. It'll also be less of a mess when people stop spamming threads and things slow down a little bit. For closing megathreads though I think it should be handled on a case-by-case basis. Some threads would probably work better being split up into multiple threads but some, such as the Factorio thread, aren't active enough to warrant splitting it up and others, such as the tg/cd thread, are fairly inactive on top of being a good resource and place for advice. Those people giving advice in the tg/cd thread, for example, are a lot more likely to miss someone asking for advice if they had to make an entirely new thread for it which is fairly counterproductive for what Garry seems to want.

The spam threads are there to prove a point. I'm fucking unironically considering Reddit after this mess. God save me.

https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/57975/7ae97c9f-fd39-4965-ab39-eb253af15f8b/image.png https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/57975/084e8d34-8ea1-43e0-8b66-c911331b66c9/image.png It's hard to think whether or not he'll actually add a filter or hide subforum threads in the parent forum with replies like these.

I do understand where garry is going with this, has anyone been to those forums with absolutely massive megathreads? I've seen threads that were 5 years old with thousands, tens of thousands of posts. Ain't nobody reading through that. I feel like we have a good mix here though.

Should also add that these pseudo-fast threads are actually lowering the quality of two forums that were actually taken seriously. What happened to being the forum with a higher standard? Why are we allowing, or even encouraging, what were once considered shitposts now? I mean look at this shit: https://i.imgur.com/JTBOG2j.png This would've been a bannable offense on OldPunch. This would be a bannable offense on fucking Reddit of all places. Why are we allowing this stuff?

I do believe either it should be handled in a much different way or just be reverted entirely.

I'd think he will since the tags currently link to the corresponding subforum anyways. You just can't currently filter by root forum nor can you filter out specific forums. The way it's functioning right now is essentially you can filter out everything but a specific tag so not expanding that functionality would be a bit of a weird choice from a user experience standpoint.

Hezzy said to make threads for each character in one of the TF2 threads. I think @joshuadim is making a point by doing the same for DOTA 2, that doing what Hezzy suggested just creates endless, useless spam. Though he can correct me if I'm wrong.

Ironic shitposting is still shitposting. Not to mention he isn't the only one actively contributing to the shitshow that is GGD, not to the fault of some of these people who have made (or are making) genuine workshop threads because they were just doing what they were told. https://i.imgur.com/PZx4eQM.png

This is so fucking dumb considering when you see a Megathread for a game series you like, you can just ask in there, and depending on how active it is, it's probably even faster to ask there than make a new thread. Also Megathreads are little communities, you can have more than 1 conversation going on, and you can start your own, and once again you are more likely to have an active conversation than in a newly made thread for that specific topic.

https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/557/b72cca63-7f3d-4cb7-afe9-63c3971717fe/image.png I was told that it's fine to make all these threads. Though I agree that killing megathreads is stupid. I'm just trying to make a point here with my threads.

I'm not sure if its ironic shitposting anymore when Hezzy explicitly encouraged the posting of independent class threads. It fits entirely within the rule and the precedent which has been set recently. I doubt it will last like this for too long, but at the moment there isn't anything wrong with it according to the rules. Its simply what has been enabled by these changes.

Shit like this and the Dota threads break the "Latest Thread" section on the side as well since right now it's just filled to the brim. Meaning if I wanted to make a question thread, it would be drowned out not only in the subforum due to the spam of threads like this, but also the Latest Thread section.

I think filters are a bad solution, because now you're blocking out content entirely. Games with subforums should just appear on the GGD page as a link to the subforum, rather than each individual thread.

You were just a scapegoat for my point, like I said there's plenty of examples. And I have to reluctantly agree with @Emperor Sagan since apparently this isn't even considered "ironic shitposting" if it's mod-endorsed. Though that doesn't change my view it's stupid as hell that it's allowed to happen and further brings home the point of why megathreads are a good thing.

The problem isn't the fact there are Subforums for Games, it's the fact despite having Subforums, every thread is in the Main Subforum for that section. Example - Dota 2 has it's own Subsection, Great! But all the threads are bleeding into the GGD subsection.

I agree entirely that it is pretty stupid that what would otherwise be spam is allowed. Its a situation where if its punished, then the mod team (which I guess is just Hezzy in this case) has to take the blame for not just allowing it to happen, but for giving permission for it to happen. Megathreads were an important part of FP and aren't the big monsters that some people claim them to be.

It's fucking moronic. I just wanted to check the Nintendo Mobile thread and it's gone from around halfway down the first page to fucking page 3, solely because of all the clutter.

If you guys wanna make FP more like Reddit with it's own subforums, that is fine. But you guys are doing it the wrong way by having the Main Subforum be flooded with threads from the other subforums. The only way to have that on Reddit is to visit r/all, but here you can just go to GGD and bam you see a bunch of TF2, Dota Threads spamming up the subforum. I mean if the Main forums like GGD was a Hub where you could see all the threads posted in the other Sections, that would be fine. But you guys expect GGD to also be used as a Subforum with it's own threads for games that don't have a subsection. You guys should have AT LEAST done this slowly, over the course of time, let the threads slowly get dripped out so the threads are made, they are there, and they aren't flooding the main sections.

In games you have to go to page 5 to get past the majority of the 'subforum' posts. Only the extremely active threads like Elder Scrolls General manage to stay in the first couple of pages.

a literal shitstorm right now.

Mod-endorsed purposeful spam that will only get worse as more megathreads are nixed and people lose their ability to congregate.

And once the spam is gone we'll still have to go back 3-4 pages because the subforum threads are still mixed into the parent forum for no reason.

Should there be character threads for LoL too? Since discussion and no megathreads allowed. Though how popular is LoL on FP?

I supose that, once the shitposters grow tired of the spam the tags will work like intended. at least we can subscribe to threads and track them that way, so you wont have to navigate 5 pages in order to get to the relevant thread where things are discused and follow an actual discussion about a particular topic.

If there's one thing I've learned, it's shitposters never grow tired. Get used to this while you can.

i just want to believe. even reddit has r/punch has standards.

It seems like most things will be buried though. If there's more than a few active threads in any sub-forum it is going to drown out everything else. If your chosen topic doesn't have a sub-forum you're just kinda fucked.