as you can probably see, I've gone ahead and tacked on a photography subforum to this place. My goal is to not have this subforum just be a fukin pile of megathreads anymore, but set up sections for all the most popular topics. What else do you think is needed? I don't want to rush into this (especially since I don't think I can delete them after I make them lol) so yeah help me BRAINSTORM the perfect collection of CC subforums, tia
@Lambeth suggested these earlier:
Photography
Videography
Painting (digital and traditional)
Drawing or illustration
Music
Sculpting(which can include 3D printing I guess)
Writing and/or scriptwriting
any feedback?
Painting and drawing could be just combined into a single category imo since they both involve similar media
Photoshop Contests!
I've posted there plenty of times, and as far as I remember, it was rather active even when it got deleted
Contest threads haven't been back since, it just doesn't feel appropriate to make a thread like that in the main CC forum
I second the combining of Painting and Drawing, hell I think even a generic Art sub forum is fine, combing Painting, Drawing, and Sculpting into it. 3D sculpting should go in the modelling section, not Art.
Those categories seems good to me.
The only suggestion I have is to separate the art (Painting/drawing/illustration) into digital and traditional categories, however i'm not certain it's a good idea. Most people use digital practices so my point might be moot.
Still, painting and drawing should be one sub-forum.
You've got my vote for photoshop contests as well. That's the one creative subforum I used to regularly visit and contribute to back when it existed.
My idea with the videography forum was that anything pertaining to film or animation could go in there. Also I dunno if the modeling forum is ideal for the 3D print thread since half the things in the modeling forum seem to be video game rips.
Photoshop contests, by the time it was closed, was virtually dead iirc.
what if we just make it a 'contests' forum, so people could also do photography or anything else contests if they wanted? maybe that'd make it see more activity?
how this look right now
Videography (tag name 'video')
Contests (tag name 'contest')
Music (tag name 'music')
Writing (tag name 'writing')
Traditional art (tag name 'traditional')
Digital art (tag name 'digital')
Sculpting (tag name 'sculpting)
maybe sculpting should just be split between traditional, for like clay scultps n shit, and digital, for like 3D models and stuff. i'm not really sure where a 3D printed thing would fall under... i guess it'd be traditional ultimately??
I would rename traditional art "painting/drawing" if only to stop the confusion of people asking whether sculpting is traditional art
my hesitation with acronyms is i want something that has a meaning that's immediately obvious to a new user, so idk about that. And yeah i could do painting/drawing, but I kinda wanted to avoid a name with a / in it. but maybe it's unavoidable
Illustration forum? although not every painting is an illustration?
All those sound like solid ideas to me
I know some people want Photoshop Contests to be back, but I'd argue that a general contest forum would be better. Us over in the writing thread started a short story competition, so it'd be nice to have a place that's maybe a little more public to show that
Illustration to me falls under painting and drawing, not warranting it's own sub-forum.
I like the separation of digital and traditional art.
yeah im still leaning towards traditional art tbh. but can wait n c what everyone thinks anyways.
please bring back ps contests, they were so good
Writing really doesn't need its own subforum. Or at least leave the main thread alive and create a writing subforum for writing pieces if people want their own threads for critique, etc.
It gets a post once every few days as is.
I mean the most recent page has posts from nearly two weeks ago on it still.
I'd be interested in a filmmaking/videography section.
Voice Actors category pretty please.
i mean i already said there's gonna be one. im just looking for feedback on if my list is missing anything
although i am realizing that my tag for the videography forum 'video' is awful close to the videos forum tag of 'videos' lol. idk can't really call it 'film' since people would assume non-digital photography instead, and i don't want a word that's too big since it'd be obnoxious to have a really wide tag. idk may just have to leave it at that.
I question if the videos and crap forum can just be axed
i mean it's still seeing a lot of activity. can't really think of any benefit that'd give tbh.
just need to come up with different tag names and we're good. maybe "musician" and "film-maker"
cinematography? or cinema? might be confused with cinema films but that's a more traditional form of the word.
that works. You won't be confused with film cameras and it won't fight with the videos and crap forum
Personally, I enjoy the megathreads for many things. It makes it a lot less intimidating for most people to post I think and what you post is given much more visibility and even guaranteed comments depending which thread you are posting on.
I think it would be pretty annoying to have a bunch of little threads for one off images etc. Would turn into "fast threads" kind of mentality almost.
Anyways, I remember when it was like that and it was fine, but I've always found the current set-up more comfortable.
oof, can't use the word traditional for the url/tag name because it's 11 characters and the max is 10 lol... Alright, what about just 'digital' and 'paper' category names?
Musician's as a subforum does make sense, but I want to point out that FP has never had a large enough community of musicians to sustain more than a single thread, which moved at quite a slow pace, and that thread itself has rules to stop people plugging their work without providing anything back to the thread. The new subforum is going to be dead a lot of the time.
Those thread rules were in place since when the musicians' gig room was its own subforum way back when, because at that point, it became an advertising ground for people, and there was no feedback mechanism, so we lost loads of musicians over time because it wasn't an effective or supportive community.
The thread allowed us to put in some rules about feedback which we were able to call people out for and as a result the community is a lot more constructive than it used to be. Having just a megathread was a huge help actually, and I think the recording community on FP is going to suffer due to the inevitable segmentation that'll occur as we relieve the problems we had back when MGR was a subforum.
I know from other threads this has been Garry's executive decision but please put that feedback in whatever feedback folder you guys hopefully have going.
I just sent this to pascall before I saw this thread lol. Feedback below:
I was hesitant to bring this up because drawing attention to our thread increases the likelihood of it being given the megathread break-up treatment, but I figured I'd rather get ahead of the wave and try to negotiate something more effective for our little art community before the decision is made for us.
The Creationism Corner has been given the ol' subforum treatment and split into Music, Digital Art, and Traditional Art. This segregation doesn't make sense to me given the relationships between the various media. I run a Makerspace in my day job, and I've found that the categories 2D Art, 3D Art, Moving Image, Music, and Writing do a better job of breaking the mediums into a more logical and cohesive set of groupings.
My second concern, and one that's a bit closer to me, is the megathread issue and the effect it may have on an essential CC thread. In the Traditional Art subforum, the Traditional Art megathread has been told to convert into a chat thread and post all new artworks in their own individual threads.
We have a similar (but broader) thread currently sitting in the Digital Art subforum: the '2D Digital Art' thread. It used to be called 'Creative Work that Doesn't Deserve a Thread' before a mod renamed it, and it's always been a general traditional and digital drawing and painting thread.
I think this really needs to remain a megathread. The fact that it's a single thread rather than a series of individual threads has resulted in an environment where work and critique can be posted and immediately discussed by the members who frequent that thread, where paintovers and cross-media discussions can take place, and where members don't have to worry about their artwork threads being swamped or dumped to the bottom of the page. We've become a close but welcoming group of artists that can only really exist and work as well as we do together within the framework of that megathread.
The segregation issue from above exists here too, and I wonder if it would be better to rename the '2D Digital Art' thread to something more like 'Traditional and Digital Painting and Drawing' or 'Community Sketchbook' or similar. Of course individual user sketchbooks should be encouraged, and large series or projects should be encouraged into their own threads, but I think it's essential that the '2D Digital Art' megathread continues to exist, ideally with a new name to better reflect the contents within.
I second "Moving Image" as a name for a videography/filmmaking section. Or it could be "Video/Film". Cinematography is more specific, and I'd prefer it to have a broader meaning.
i'm really not seeing how or why any of that has to change when it's a small subforum instead. you can still have a chat thread if you want assuming garry/hezzy don't mind, but the goal of all this is to ditch everyone just using a megathread, and go back to how this forum used to operated way back in the day. I can't imagine anyone's stuff getting 'swamped' or 'dumped' to the bottom of the page given how many threads can fit on a page and how often posts even get made here.
there was a total of 7 creative things posted yesterday in total across all the current megathreads. That's it. This place just doesn't move fast enough to warrant worrying about your stuff getting swamped or dumped to the bottom of the page right away.
well i wish you said something way sooner lol. The subforum decision was set-up 2 days ago, and I had this thread open all yesterday. These are the categories sent and discussed to me. And IIRC they're also the same categories I set-up when we made new thread icons as well and nobody had an issue then, either. I'll think it over but at this point I'm inclined to just try it out this way n c. We can tweak shit as needed as we go.
at this point I'm thinking we don't need a sculpting category, and that can just get split between digital and traditional art depending on how it's done, so really it's gonna be the same amount of categories then. Whether we split this digital <--> traditional or 2D <--> 3D doesn't seem like that big a deal really. But again we can try it and see, and I'll think it over as well.
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