• Crowd descends on UK Labour HQ to protest over antisemitism
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/08/crowd-descends-on-labour-hq-to-protest-over-antisemitism?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
I wonder if this crowd even know Corbyn besides already biased narrative made by Pro-Israeli government and Anti-Corbyn mainstream media.
corbyn praised a radical islamic imam who blamed israel for 9/11, said jews drink the blood of non jews, was sentenced to prison for raising money for Hamas and being a spy for Iran. He also was an active member in a facebook group that blamed Jews for 9/11, denied the holocaust, and had conspiracies about the Rothschilds controlling the world. If that's not enough, he had an active 10 year assocation with a group that actively denied the holocaust and hosted an imam in Parliament that wrote that Europe made Jew worshipping and the "cult of the holocaust" into an alternative religion. This is just Corbyn, there's a ton of other people who have done shit https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/labours-pockets-of-anti-semitism-the-evidence/ but no, it's just the (((biased narrative))), corbyn really didn' t do anything wrong
The Spectator is a heavily biased publication who once said this about Jade Goody when she was diagnosed with cancer: "Now we have the latest instalment of the Jade Goody catastrophe: she has terminal cancer. Gaw, look what she's gone and done now, terminal cancer! What's she like!" So yeah, I don't think they're a great source, to be honest. Their journalists deny global warming, it was once edited by Boris Johnson, and the front cover of one of the magazines just before the 2016 US election had a picture of Hillary on the cover with the caption "the next president of the United States." I am not even saying that what you propose about Corbyn is incorrect, as I don't know all that much about the antisemitism row, but I do think you should be using better sources.
technically weird that link address have blog in link And felt that place have some sort of literal center-right bias (Maybe support May has something do post) but aleast it's have ok to little good reporting. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-spectator-uk/ And besides, I lean support Corbyn (and maybe both Labour and Green Parties) only if I live in England and maybe Wales. For Scotland is different story.
They source everything so it's okay
I may have misunderstood you, but the Spectator is not even centre-right - it's definitively right wing and arguably the most right wing publication in Britain. I have a subscription to it because I like to know what the 'other side' is thinking, but I find their coverage to be parroting the Conservative government's more right wing side often. They're absolutely in the Jacob Rees-Mogg region of the Conservative party.
Ok And I also don't fully support Corbyn either except if Pro-Conservative, Pro-Liberal Democrat and Right-wing British establishment media begin attacking him with seemly purposed smears and other typical demonisation that he keep victim to.
Here are more sources that are hopefully less biased: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Labour_Party The UK Labour Party’s anti https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-antisemitism-labour-party-israel-palestine-jewish-a8274771.html http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43539774 And do on.
Thanks. Alone, none of the allegations could be considered more than circumstantial in court, but taken together, I do think it looks extremely worrying. I would have preferred he was never leading the party to begin with anyway. :P I hate it when people compare Bernie Sanders and Corbyn, because Bernie is wonderful and I could never imagine him being so combative with the media. I also don't think Bernie Sanders would run a party in such an authoritarian way as Corbyn. Let's see how this plays out. I must say that I have some personal gripes with how Israeli leadership treats Palestinians in the Gaza Strip and how they're building on The West Bank, but the idea that this is the fault of all Jews or that Palestinians haven't done a lot of awful things themselves is madness. Prejudicial beliefs based on permanent traits are ridiculous in all their forms.
corbyn could convert to judaism, start praising the death of palestinians at the hands of the israeli government and wealthier jewish people would still call him anti-semitic
Labour has an anti Semitic problem in small pockets of its party. As does the Tory party and others and frankly they all need to sort it out. Bit instead of bringing about change and asking for a solution, the response has very much been the same as when England gets knocked out the world cup; there is only one person to blame and it's the person in charge. Is childish as all heck and the fact that the same people who will talk about media bias in the UK are being manipulated this easily to prolong an actual problem rather than solving it is insane. The story isn't anti semitism even though it should be. It's gross.
I think the issue is there are legit anti-semites but their existence makes people look for antisemitism everywhere. People who criticise Israeli policy toward Palestinians/settlements or criticise a country so heavily influenced by religion (ie would prefer a secular country) are thrown into the same unpleasant category as actual anti-semites. And another more controversial point ( @ScumBunny would love to hear your views on this ) people who happen to be jewish are disproportionately represented in certain jobs. Eg nobel prize winners, lawyers/high paying jobs. People tend to jump on this as proof of their "zionist" conspiracies. The pro-israel lobby in the USA doesn't help either. (In the book freakonomics jewish success is attributed to prejudice against the group, according the the author jewish communities were forced to be fairly close to one another so tended to help each other out more than the general populace) I'm not jewish though so most of that is just second hand info i've read in places. eg https://www.jweekly.com/2013/04/12/jews-and-money-the-stereotype-the-history-the-reality-jccsf-series-explores/. People state these stereotypes as "justification" for their prejudice. For my own view I think Israel should try to work harder with Palestinians - eg helping Palestinians working in Israel. If there could be more goodwill between the 2 countries there would be less support for extremists. The issue is Hamas and Netanyahu benefit from violence, they benefit from turning their respective populace against the other. While there is profit/power to be had from violence it's hard to get peace.
You've raised a lot of points, and I don't think I could address them all fully here. Here are some pointers if you're interested and feel like following up with your own research: Judaism and Zionism are two separate things. Judaism is a religion as well as an ethnicity, Zionism is the Jewish national movement or the belief that Jewish people should have their own national home. Disagreeing with Israel's government or policies doesn't make you either an anti-Semite or an anti-Zionist. Plenty of Israelis (like yours truly) are opposed to the Israeli government. However being anti-Zionist is believing that (out of all the ethnic nations in the world) a Jewish nation shouldn't even exist which could be interpreted as anti-Semitic. The history of antisemitism (or racism and persecution of Jews) goes back centuries and up until recently is completely unrelated to the formation of the state of Israel. There have been plenty of bogus justifications for the persecution of Jews, from religious (they killed Christ) to economic (they have all the money) to racial (they are an inferior race that is also secretly running the world) and political (they are traitors to the nation), all of them equally bogus and resulting to whatever people feared or hated at the time. There were also fake narratives specifically manufactured to scapegoat Jews like blood libels (Jews kill Christian children and use their blood in their rituals), the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (Jews secretly run the world) right up to the modern JEWS DID 9/11. Antisemitism in the Arab world specifically is tied to the political and religious conflict between Israel and the Arab world in the last century. Regardless of the current ongoing conflict between Israel and the Palestinians or Israel and Iran Israel maintains peaceful relationships with multiple Arab nations like Egypt, Jourdan and Turkey. Doesn't help with the antisemitism issue. Also about a fifth of Israel's own population is Arabs (both Christian and Muslims) as well as members of other religions and ethnicity like Druze, Bedouin and Cercesians. We mostly get along. Again- no effect on the whole antisemitism issue. Finally, regardless of your take on this Corbyn is accused of antisemitism, not anti-Zionism. In the multiple cases I quoted above was affiliated with or expressed support of groups and individuals who explicitly expressed antisemitic opinions like Holocaust denial and (in the case of the mural) propagated antisemitic motifs like rich Jews running the world.
i'm a bit confused about the mural being antisemitic it's got all the trappings of shite edgy anti-NWO art, but i'm not seeing anything distinctly antisemitic in it maybe i'm not clued in on antisemitic art but it looks like people dredged it up to try and throw shade rather than legitimate accusations
That mural if full of classic antisemitic iconography that dates back to 1930 Der Sturmer. To quote this piece: First, make sure to actually look at the mural. Don’t take a fleeting glance as you prepare to tweet your outrage, but pause for a moment and take it all in. Sitting around a table is a group of rotund men: one has a full beard, and is counting money. That, in and of itself, is an antisemitic symbol. It’s not just the big, hookednoses and evil expressions that make this iconography offensive and troubling, these depictions mirror antisemitic propaganda used by Hitler and the Nazis to whip up hatred that led to the massacre of millions of Jews. This extends to the table these figures are sat at, resting on human bodies, as the Nazis also depicted. Context here is also important. If you haven’t yet, then research The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. An entirely fabricated text printed first in Russia during the early 1900s, it purports to document a meeting of Jewish leaders setting out plans to take over the world by controlling the media and press, and fostering religious conflict to subjugate non-Jews across the globe. By the way, NWO conspiracies are often also antisemitic in nature. Also, there are the words of the artist himself: Its intent was obvious. It showed businessmen and bankers sitting counting their money. Not only did they look like obvious caricatures of Jews – in a style reminiscent of Nazi propaganda in the 1930s – the artist himself confirmed they were intended as such, writing: “Some of the older white Jewish folk in the local community had an issue with me portraying their beloved #Rothschild or #Warburg etc as the demons they are.”
Ah yes I forgot only jews get to be fat and have beards.
The Spectator is to journalism what a shit-stained rag is to Kierkegaard.
Ok, But least Wikipedia have section of criticize recent accusations made very likely Anti-Corbynites in late three years. Establishment media and yea he mostly better than Corbyn in when comes defended their criticism.
Labour has problems with anti Semitic assholes for sure (Fuck you Ken Livingstone) but I reckon Corbyn isn't anti Semitic himself. What pisses me off is how Corbyn did sit down with Jews but the media and the Labour right shat on him because they weren't the right kind of Jews, they were "lefties" the wrong kind of Jews. That is way more anti Semitic than anything Corbyn has personally done in his life, I mean I doubt Theresa May has ever sat down with left wing Jews simply because they don't share political views, why should Corbyn sit down with right wing Jews, groups which would probably attack him? Isn't the problem more down to general Jew hating, not political views? Also I'll LOVE to point out how the Labour right and the Tories have very close relations with the Saudis, often getting gifts and sucking their cocks to help them internationally. The Saudis are currently the BIGGEST exporters of  wahhabism, the ideology which the Saudis have funded throughout Europe and are responsible for the rise of anti Semitic attacks throughout Europe. That's FAR worse than some old man who fucked up on social media or some dickheads like Livingstone who spurt vile, but universally condemned views. Also Theresa May talks big about how much she likes Israel, but she's fallen silent when it comes time to support them in the UN or other situations. While Corbyn is anti Zionist, at least he isn't going to promise Israel huge support one moment than fail to give it when the time comes. I despise anti antisemitism, it shares roots in both the left and the right but this smear is overblown and isn't about protecting Jews, it's all about attacking Corbyn.
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