• NJ crackdown on religious exemptions for vaccines advances after stormy hearing
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https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/2018/04/05/nj-assembly-committee-passes-bill-tighten-exemptions-vaccines/490602002/ https://youtu.be/Liwb7xDyTe8
"You can still get a religious exemption, you just can't make it up"
"I can't believe they are making me make care for my kid's health!"
Man, just let people do and believe whatever they want /s
Lol at that kid giving them a bird. I still can't believe Anti-Vaxxers are a thing even after knowing about them for years...
Interesting article, and while not entirely fool proof (those who want to go through the effort to not vaccinate still have an avenue, but it will get a lot more difficult), goes a long way to curb the problem. I think this is also probably going to be the best solution that could be passed as well, considering that one could argue that ingredients in vaccines or otherwise could be legitimately problematic to their religious beliefs and thus forcing a parent to have a procedure done on themselves or their children would violate their right to freedom of religion. Though under the new law they would have to cite how that is and prove that they are consistent in their beliefs (to oust hypocrites). However, the religious freedom argument is an interesting one that has limits and goes into a whole bunch of different areas that present problems with it. One being that it is said that one's rights end where another's begins, and in this sense it would be that by not vaccinating your child you are posing a significant risk to everyone else, and can be violating other's rights to life and personal autonomy by willfully carrying an infectious disease or being a possible vector when there is an easy means to prevent it. The second being the partial autonomy that children receive. While perhaps without legal precedent, it would be interesting to discuss the rights that a child would have in regards to their own medical treatment, and when or if they can override their parents decisions on their medical treatment. Lastly then there's the whole fallacious argument presented on lack of data on the health benefits of vaccines, which is refuted by historical evidence.
Tough shit, the health of the community at large is much more important than what your beliefs are. Plus if it really is that much of an issue you can still apply for it, just have to prove it.
oh my lord that one woman comparing being forced to vaccinate her kids to her grandparents running away from the holocaust It's so funny to see the difference between the people arguing for exemption and the people arguing against illustrated just so perfectly, since it perfectly sums up the entire anti-vax movement The "For" people they showed both were just crying and not citing any evidence, just anecdotes and appeals to emotion The "against" lady just plainly states "There is no evidence to show this is happening" then just smirks when the crowd behind her starts jeering
Did a quick search for religions with objections to vaccines. Immunizations and Religion | Health and Wellness | Vanderbilt .. Dang you gotta be into some niche stuff for a legit exemption. It sucks that these people have been so convinced of a lie that they're desperate enough to abuse the law for something that puts so many people at risk.
smallpox doesnt give a fuck what your religion is sorry sweeties
a major downside of this is that religious people will breed more because they don't have to worry about their one of their kids getting polio and killing the whole family
I have never heard of any of those niche sects that are allowed to reject vaccinations. None of them have churches around me here in South Jersey at least.
More scared of autism than viral contagions.
The point is that people must now show not only a knowledge but also in particular, proof that they are followers of this belief.
Anti-vaxxers can be really out of touch. My mother is one and her reasoning basically boils down to this: Vaccines are not 100% perfect and cause issues for a very small portion of the populace ergo they should not be used at all despite their benefits vastly outweighing their negative side effects.
this is where we're at though, society at large almost doesn't exist in policy context anymore, everything has a libertarian twinge to it from healthcare (why should I pay more for sick people?) to roads, gun rights and more.
Did you mention how herd immunity protects the people who legit cannot get vaccines for medical reasons
Can't believe we're sitting here having an argument about who gets to legally let children die of preventable illnesses.
Ive had some pretty hilarious/depressing responses from people after mentioning that term. "the sheeple continue to sleep even after they acknowledge the herd!!!" I feel so sorry for the kids these people are "raising". Thankfully my mum became an anti-vaxxer after it was ~too late~ for me. I have a plethora of metal health issues and my mum was convinced, by an Andrew Wakefield fanpage on facebook no less, that it was caused by the MMR vaccine- despite the majority of these conditions being relatively minor and also hereditary in nature.
I've tried to explain it to her. Her point of view on herd immunity is exactly the opposite of reality. She somehow thinks those who can't get vaccines are just totally screwed and that's too unfair or something.
I've asked. She wasn't able to see the point of it no matter how I explained it to her.
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