what a fucking nightmare
everyone has claustrophobic fears like this, and to think it could happen to you after school in your own car? it shouldn't be possible
i don't want to be too reactionary, but Honda's design is absolutely responsible; nobody should have to watch out for this in their car
From the article:
When asked about the incident by CNN, a Honda spokesperson said, "There have been no recalls affecting the seats of the 2002 Honda Odyssey in the United States."
While this story is incredibly sad and something no one should have to go through, I can see that if the seats were not latched in all the way they would've collapsed if he was in the back row reaching over them to get something in the trunk, pinning him in that position . Or it could've actually been a failure of the latching mechanism in that case Honda would definitely be at fault. Would have to look into if there's any other cases of the latches breaking in that model.
i could imagine a kid getting pinned like this..
very bad design...
He could have accessed the storage area infinitely easier through the rear tailgate, wonder why he didn't just do that?
in an emergency, phones should really go to speaker phone automatically...
how does the seat not have some sort of lock to prevent that?
there's a locking latch on the back of the seat
The updated vehicle description was never passed on to officers at the school. The operator on the second call has been put on leave.
yet another time a dispatcher fucks it up...
Oh fucking hell. The anguish those parents must feel right now. Holy shit I hope I never have to go through that.
Fucking hell that diagram. It's like that "Bin on an elevator" picture.
it does. freak accidents happen
"I probably don't have much time left. Tell my Mom I love her, if I die," Kyle tells the 911 operator.
The call lasted more than 2½ minutes. There is no response from the operator on the recording.
What the fuck? Do your job, asshole!
This is very close to the "She knew better than to stand behind her father" post.
Oh shut the fuck up.
This seems like a combination of a design failure and a structural failure. Obviously the design is not very good for allowing this to happen at all, but I'd wager a guess that this is one of the only, if not the only, accident involving the quick-stowing seat system. My family had almost every generation of Odyssey and from using that stowing mechanism it requires deliberate pulling of the latch lanyard to get the seats to move.
I'm wondering if, given the age of the car, the latch mechanism failed due to the force of the kid reaching over the seats.
You come off as a bit of a sociopath to be honest. The boy has probably done the same maneuver a billion times and nothing has ever gone wrong. Shut the fuck up yourself and have some heart.
Woah nice, did you get that argument from the seniors in 4th grade?
Reaching over the backrest to get something from the trunk/storage is probably one of the most common moves you can make in a minivan.
it's not like he would've been specifically aware of this risk lol, there's nothing to pin on him
Honda and other minivans should probably add a bunch of emergency levers at varying positions in the trunk incase shit like this happens again, or make it so that the upper half of the seat is easily collapsible if you wiggle it or something.
At the very least I hope his death was not too painful, he probably just passed out from a gradual lack of oxygen and then died, having a seat crushing your chest must really fucking suck though.
Lawsuit incoming
What? No it doesn't. He was just saying "why didn't he just access the trunk from the back"
Suddenly you can't make assumptions about what people were doing and why they didn't do x when they died?
A sociopath for saying
"He could have accessed the storage area infinitely easier through the rear tailgate, wonder why he didn't just do that?
EDIT:
He had enough space behind the hatch to not clip anything."
What? So because he is mentioning a way he could have avoided death he's a sociopath? I don't think he was saying "THIS GUY IS DUMB FOR NOT DOING THIS" he was just pointing out something.
I guess I'm missing something here, but I really don't think he had malicious intent when he wrote that.
Nobody will ever know exactly why he was in that position..
there could be a variety of reasons why he climbed through his car to get his equipment.
the ability to cause death inside the car without a malfunction occurring is the only thing of interest. a child could have been left inside while a parent pays for petrol.
the child then climbs over the seat to get maybe a drink from the boot? does the exact same thing as this individual. you can only learn how to avoid being pinned and how companies can work out making this impossible to occur in a safe environment like a car.
I've done this too in our 05 sienna, the stow n go mechanism is different but it's still possible for this to happen since the seats are designed to invert so you can use them for tailgating. I never thought this could happen though, the locking mechanism seems well built
This is awful, that's just such a shitty situation for the family
Aside from how he got into that position, the fact that the second call he made was put through an operator that was on leave is ridiculous and it shouldn't be used as an excuse for the police's inability to reach him in time.
Honda's response was what you would expect but I really took issue with: some type of other user error possibly. If you really feel you are in a position to assign blame when you manufactured and designed the product that killed the victim - then you're on another planet. But even then - don't you think it's too soon to even consider implying it's a user error? If I were the family that would really upset me.
Whenever someone wheels a cart into an elevator and the elevator doesn't have doors that are 100% flat to the walls, I step out of the elevator. I get way too paranoid for that shit.
in the vans I've used with these mechanisms, it always seems a simple obstruction on the floor like a wrapper, or even just the latches gumming up a bit with age/use means it won't latch 100% at times, though usually you can tell something's in the way or you start getting used to having to slam it
I'm going to guess he was looking for something inside the car and thought it was somewhere inside the seating area. He didn't find it there and decided to the check the trunk. But instead of opening the door, getting out of the car, and opening the trunk to look for it, he just peered over the rear seats, leaned over to dig through the stuff back there(probably his mom's car and women use their cars like closets) and then he got pinned when the seat moved.
If Honda was to blame we would have had a case like this happen a LOT sooner. This is a 15+ year old van, and this is the first time this has happened? You fuckin' kiddin' me with this 'Honda is responsible' horseshit?
Freak accidents happen, homey.
Judging by the video in the OP, it could have been avoided if the seat could only fold back into the hold after its back has been folded all the way forward.
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