Jordan Peterson on European Pride - General

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyoTGmhczcY&t=0s I really like this clip (even though it seems Jordan Peterson is not liked here). A lot of people on here I have observed seem to discount him as some right-winger, and this doesn't really square with that simplistic label.

He's right that White supremacists have utterly misunderstood what makes modern western nations great to live in. Not just the blatant racists, but a shitton of "patriotic" republicans, not to even remotely forget the new anti-habeas-corpus leftist movement in America. restriction and censorship isn't gonna "fix evil people" anyway. He's correct in that our current political systems, our civil liberties and a lot of our philosophical and ethical foundations come out of the middle-east. So racists and xenophobes really don't have a leg to stand on... However, that doesn't mean that we haven't evolved beyond their dated ideas. By modern standards, they're archaic, rigid and in some ways outright barbaric. The people stuck in their older formats are also stuck in perpetual political strife and armed conflicts. The middle-east is a goner, not because the people in charge are brown, but because the people in charge have rigid world-views, a base of supporters with rigid world-views and want a world with rigid, simplified morality guided by all-or-nothing justice systems that deal in black and white morality. Where else in the world have we experienced a stark growth in rigid-thinking movements? 1950s-present-day America. Extreme right and Extreme left are both hunting for that same simple-minded, rigid "utopia" where only they are the arbiters of rights and only they decide the level and type of force exercised to preserve that way of life. If violent conflict comes to the west, it'll come from the inside and it'll come because we were collectively too stupid and too proud to get over ourselves and stop it.

I just think people need to realize that Jordan Peterson seems highly critical of the right-wing aswell. I mean the guy has done classes on the Holocaust and against Nazism all his life, and there are people I have seen on him call him a tool of the alt-right. The views he has in this video and other ones I have seen wouldn't exactly make the extreme right happy. You are completely right that both (Left/Right) extremes are going for this simplistic Utopian answer, and I am personally scarred as well it is to the US's internal detriment and the world at large whenever these people become permissive.

did he really used two hands to drink a thing like a baby at the beginning?

it's a reverse power move.. he's psychologically broadcasting to the audience that he's open to new ideas and is on equal, if not worse, footing.

I don't think he's a hard right-winger. I think he's all over the place. That's my problem with him. Most everything worthwhile he has to say has been said better by better people, but then he'll also come out and say more questionable or frankly embarrassing things because he's not really qualified in a lot of the areas he likes to talk about and it damages his credibility. He also seems to depend a little too much on people interpreting his words in the most charitable way possible, which is a habit I've come to loathe in recent years. People have this trust in him that is completely unwarranted.

Many of his views are retarded and insane enough to talk about on their own, there's no need to go at drinking shit like this.

Ive both heard and used the "how can you be proud of something youve not accomplished personally" argument, and I think the problem is that we use the word "pride" to describe two different concepts: having high self-esteem due to having accomplished something difficult personally, and feeling good and worthy due to being a part of something greater then yourself. Ideally, you would invent a new word for that.

In this context it seems agreeable that one cannot be part of something greater without contributing to this greater thing in some form, justifying the use of the term "pride" for what is felt as a result. Obviously, this would be different from the type of pride Peterson seems to deride in the video.

The problem with Jordan Peterson is that he talks but doesn't actually say anything. Especially when the topic isn't psychology. It's hard to disagree with a man who doesn't have a clear message.

I'm not sure I get what Peterson was getting at. I've never felt that anyone who has pride in their country is implying "Yeah, I did that!". I have pride in my country, and in my ancestry, but I'm proud in the sense that the place that I had the fortune of being born in is an ethically and morally sound place to be, and that through democrating election me and my people are able to further develop those things I very highly regard, in government and tradition. It's more of "Yeah, I'm a part of this!" if I had to describe the term of pride I feel.