The search for the truth in the rubble of Douma - Polidicks

This is the story of a town called Douma, a ravaged, stinking place of smashed apartment blocks – and of an underground clinic whose images of suffering allowed three of the Western world’s most powerful nations to bomb Syria last week. There’s even a friendly doctor in a green coat who, when I track him down in the very same clinic, cheerfully tells me that the “gas” videotape which horrified the world – despite all the doubters – is perfectly genuine. War stories, however, have a habit of growing darker. For the same 58-year old senior Syrian doctor then adds something profoundly uncomfortable: the patients, he says, were overcome not by gas but by oxygen starvation in the rubbish-filled tunnels and basements in which they lived, on a night of wind and heavy shelling that stirred up a dust storm. [The Independent - The Search for the truth in the rubble of Douma] "Voices" Opinion article for the Independent by someone on the ground at the site of the incident that caused the US/FR/UK response. Long read, but interesting.

It rings similar bells to that of Osama. It was being thrown around daily regarding the hunt for him, meanwhile on the ground when officers were asking questions regarding his location, nobody knew who he was.

I hope Trump, May and whoever is in charge of France (Macaron? Le Big Mac? Macruzo?) will pay for their arrogant attempt to quickly jab at Assad forces over what i smore and more coming up as staged up event by White Helment scumbags. Not to mention that attack by ancient tomohawks was mostly thwarted. Poor Decisions and poor executions

What I want to know is are you deliberately spreading disinformation, or just accidentally spreading it?

we need a Vodka emote for these posts.

That plays bandit radio when you hover over it.

We've got a baby bottle rating, that's close enough. It's even mostly spill-proof, perfect for binge-drinking!

I swear your posts are taking the piss sometimes. How is it that this post reads dot for dot like drooling Russian propoganda when you simultaneously make posts like, [quote] Oh boy i can't wait to download illegal apk file through illegal TOR browser and to store it in my giant library of illegaly downloaded movies.... CAN GOVERMAN STOPH MEH? Just add it to my list of "unreasonable reasons for detention" under number #1430, right after "# 1429:provoking possilbe terrorist activity by standing near police men" [/quote] Are you sharing your account with your friend from the FSB or something?

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/17/middleeast/syria-chemical-attack-fallout-intl/index.html As a summary, both the Syrian state TV and the White Helmets are saying OPCW are in Douma. OPCW are silent. US state department are saying their understanding is they have not arrived. (Language that if any of the video's I've watched of people being interviewed by US Congress etc is, they don't know for sure)

Chemical weapons watchdog awaits safety go (CNN)

the whole situation is dodgy as fuck. It wouldn't be the first time something was fabricated/changed to ramp up involvement, like the Kuwaiti Incubators

It's worth understanding that the coalition strikes 100% did not go ahead on the basis of social media videos, they will have collected information about the events going on at that time, be it SIGINT, HUMINT, or AWACS data, and then collated that information to try and build up a picture of what happened on that night. The three nations most like collected information independently, and then reached conclusions independently, making the chance of erroneous conclusions minimal, and all three nations stated that they believed chemical weapons were used on Douma

Thats alot of wishful thinking, expecially when strikes were initialised by trump, may and macron without consent of their congress bodies, nor UN approval.

Report from the OPCW, now quite old. https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/M-59/en/ecm59dg02_e_.pdf >On arrival at Site 1, a large crowd gathered and the advice provided by the UNDSS was that the reconnaissance team should withdraw. At Site 2, the team came under small arms fire and an explosive was detonated. The reconnaissance team returned to Damascus. This is regarding the UN security team that went in ahead of the investigation so I think it's now safe to assume that nothing is going to come out of this. What I find strange is the place has been crawling with journalists so I really don't see why the OPCW can't have just went in fairly incognito and taken samples of dust, water and that famous shell lying in that bombed out house.

They could take interview for eyewitness too, like this little kid who was in "white helmets" video in hospital. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPFaEG9vJT4 But i guess nothing will ever surface up if people keep perceiving news coverage of other side as pure propaganda.

Why would anyone listen to a couple of shills posting Russian and Syrian propaganda? Surely this little boy was intimidated by the big angry journalist who was holding a canister of chlorine gas threateningly above his head. The west is a place of glorious and pure ideals that are followed by the letter by our journalists and governments, when have they ever done something dodgy?

RT is literally a propaganda channel, what the fuck do you expect? Lampshading it doesn't change anything, we won't suddenly think it's a valid source of news. How can I in good conscience trust what they report when the are known for lying when it benefits the Russian government? Why would I?

Posts a video from RT, known to be extremely biased and Pro-Russian At this point i can't tell if you're hired by Russia to spread disinformation or an idiot...

This is the kind of thinking that allows dictators to rule over their countries. Brainwashing others to believe external media is 100% evil in everything that they say and it is dangerous to listen to such things. Make up your own mind, sift through the bullshit.

That's exactly what we're doing - shifting through the bullshit. RT is 100% proven bullshit.

You're calling the little boy a liar due to the fact an RT reporter is interviewing him?

I'm saying that if a news story has only been picked up by RT and its affiliates, there's probably much more to it than they are reporting, or the facts are misinterpreted, the footage cut up, the context ignored, etc.

You're literally in a thread with an article written by an independent UK journalist saying the exact same thing though.

i have made up my own mind. Just cause it doesn't fit your world view doesn't mean im somehow the "Slave to the liberal Mass media"

Awhile ago Russian Media told us that Russian Soldiers were not in Crimea, then Crimea voted to join Russia, then Russian Soldiers were not in Eastern Ukraine, then Russian BUK did not shoot down that airplane, etc. So how's not being in Crimea going for ya?

Honestly, if you were a Syrian civilian in Douma and survived an alleged chemical attack made by your own government that just liberated you from rebels, you really wouldn't want to say to international media that your own guys did it and get jailed or shot for treason.

You do realize, I hope, that RT isn't just some foreign external media: they're funded by the Russian government and have quite a track record of bias in that regard. You can listen to what is shown all you like, but it is whoever does the filming and the broadcasting that controls the context of what is shown to you, and you'd do well to keep that in mind.

Wow i hope this media that is backed by the russian government isnt lying to me when its a story about how the russian government fucked up. Do you not remember all the random broadcasters who quit live on air saying the entire news site is a massive shill for the russian government?

Children are emotional cannon fodder to them, living or dead, real or fake. http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-32137302/reports-of-10-year-old-killed-in-ukraine-made-up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW-4a0P8sjs

OPCW reached the site https://www.opcw.org/news/article/opcw-fact-finding-mission-team-visits-douma-syria/ The samples collected will be transported to the OPCW Laboratory in Rijswijk and then dispatched for analysis to the OPCW’s designated labs.