So much for all the articles claming him and trump were buddy buddy lmao.
tbf i bet it doesn't take much to convince trump that you're his "Buddy"
I wonder what Trump's babysitters are telling him this means.
They're all saying what a great relationship we have and it's actually correct; it's not fake news. Finally, it's not Fake News.
Donald Trump, introducing Macron in the White House to Reporters
The articles weren't claiming that. The President was claiming that. Predictably, of course, the moment he calls something not fake news it turns out to actually be fake news.
Just 2 buddies
https://twitter.com/BreakingNews/status/989276088336601088?s=19
Oh i know, but a lot of articles were being posted from all sides saying they were in a bromance because of what trump said (considering trump cannot get along with any world leader that isn't a fucking dictator).
just 2 buddies roasting each other ofc
unfortunately trump did not survive this burn
what the fuck is this visit
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2018/images/04/24/handshake.gif
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https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2018/images/04/24/holding.hands.gif
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what the hell is happening
life is a fucking sitcom
That French bastard is a smooth and cool dude. Trump didn't make him look stupid, but instead, he turns around and makes Trump AND Congress look like the idiots they are. I loved it
he has to show how powerful those baby hands are.
Can we name Macron president instead? Like if he challenges Trump to a duel and wins can he be president?
While that would be a (huge) improvement for America, I find it Interesting that in a country like France, he's regarded as "the worst president we could have gotten".
I mean that was the second part, in the first round of the election he had still beat out the left-wing le pen, the establishment PS candidate, and a conservative theocrat.
Altho it doesn't seem like France has liked their presidents for decades
Well, LePen is Far-right, but yeah, he was still ahead of everyone (by a small margin though).
We will always complain about our president.
Hell, we are always criticising everything.
But we do have a good track record of making changes happen by complaining and questioning our government, so I guess that's a good thing?
Do the French like anything.
« Left wing Le Pen »L M A O
thanks for proving your complete ignorance in all matters of french politics every time we have a new thread. Really helps newcomers tell whose drivel should be filtered out.
I've never been to france when some vital service hasn't been striking in paris. The fucking smell while the garbage men were striking was insane and the railways being shut down was horrendous.
Well? There’s a thing called the first turn of elections where you DO NOT have to pick the lesser evil to be nominated. Macron was vrtually never up against Le Pen; yet, the self-interested and the ultra rich favored by Macron’s economic thought, managed to shift the narrative to get the populace at large thinking he was the only alternative to Le Pen starting turn one.
How the fuck can you walk up to congress and lecture everyone on isolationism while enacting the most vile immigration politics at home and voting in more human rights-breaching anti-migrant bills at the exact same time. Fuck that noise.
You know, when there's 63% of peoples saying that's there's too much migrants, while, at the same time, 65% are saying that we should welcome them, I don't think peoples actually know what they want.
Source (In French) : L'OBS
Not that it mean that we are actually agreeing with the current policies, and I'm not too, to clear things up.
(Same source, 57% disagree with the policies)
But since the start of the migrant crisis, the gov tried a lot of stuff, without success. So of course they'll try new stuff.
However, I'll have to disagree about the fact that Macron became the only wall against LePen in the first turn.
You have to remember that we could have had any of the three main candidates against each other (not counting Fillon for Obvious Reason) :
Top 4
M. Emmanuel MACRON 23,11%
Mme Marine LE PEN 22,85%
M. Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON 20,84%
M. François FILLON 17,77%
We could have had Mélenchon as our president, but I'm sure that we wouldn't be happy too, but not on the same points, obviously.
I do have questions though :
How is the current gov an ecological disaster?
Also, Civil Warmonger? I think that's a bit extreme, don't you think?
(As a foot note : I took the most recent poll i could find, and I don't know how biased the source is.)
That’s fair, I’ll walk the « civil warmonger » comment back. It’s a silly hyperbole with how little impact his talks of « restoring the bond between state and church » have had. He’s treading a thin line dogwhistling reactionaries over issues like gay marriage, and I see malicious intent in that. France has gone an entire Sarkozy term without a revolution and the guy was twice the bark half the bite as Macron, so a civil war is nowhere in sight.
My concern, as far as civil unrest goes, is also reflected in the executive. The first obvious mention would be the recent admission of all state of emergency measures into common law (is this the proper word for it?); these extraordinary powers are being used for political purposes.
Rooting out squatters from private land where they cause no trouble is a cute little footsie to the right, but releasing thousands of tear gas canisters and some hundred grenades in the natural habitat of the endangered grey triton is just mean. That’s not how you make the planet great again. France has been a laboratory for grassroots agricultural innovation in the past and barely of the guys had a lease.
Meanwhile, identitarians, royalists and pro-lifers are coddled. Defend Europe, for instance, was not interrupted during its attempt to materialize the border between Italy and France. Same folks who set out to abduct migrants in the Mediterranean last year, too, and we didn’t see a response come out of the executive that summer.
I’ll gain nothing from migrants, and I’m also aware that France takes in the least people among countries in western Europe. I think we can do a little effort for Europe. I understand the need for management of undocumented « jungles » on the national territory. But I’m not satisfied with the cruelty in every response from my government since the beginning of the refugee crisis. The harassment of refugees, repeated destruction of their tents and belongings and making it illegal to feed them are unnecessary. And with the most recent law we can detain the children too. That’s messed up.
As an extra I’m pretty sure Mélenchon could have lost to Le Pen but that’s a hot take for another day.
The migrant issue is a difficult one to tackles.
In my opinion, the Gov should spend money on universal shelters to welcome both migrants and homeless alike.
The "war on migrant" is a stupid one, and we should stop treating them like cattle.
But most of theses issues are aggravated every time a new president is elected. For example, Macron's gov just cemented what Hollande's was doing regarding the emergency state. Which is really bad, but it was to be expected, since Terrorism is doing what it does best, scaring people.
But I have to admit that they fucked up with the squatter situation.
I'd say it's 50/50, because the squatter won the fight, the airport will not be built, and they have no real purpose blocking the roads and occupying a private place anymore. But, the police force shouldn't have use that much violence to evacuate the "ZAD".
This whole situation has to stop once and for all really. And to stop destroying the natural habitat too.
Anyway, I think we are going waaay off-topic, but I do understand where you are coming from.
UwU
It is perhaps hyperbolic, as he's not so directly malicious as Le Pen especially in regards to GSM and refugees/migrants. But I'm not saying it without reason given his talks of withdrawing France from NATO, the EU and his cozying up to autocrats. And of course, one benefit of him over Le Pen is more consistent talk on economic policy, even if it is a bit... i'll leave it at interesting.
I don't disagree on the anti-migration side, and he and applicable politicians do deserve to be harpooned. Along with his talks of church & state, my hope was that he would largely remain left wing/liberal on social issues like migration and civil rights, but that unfortunately is not the case.
Wait, you're referring to Hamon, the guy who was literally abandoned by most of his own party, who didn't support him? Who had some pretty strongly left-wing policies planned, compared to the previous presidency?
How the fuck was that guy the "establishment PS candidate" lol
I mean yeah, he was a pretty fierce challenger for the PS nomination, though he was still a part of PS, where a lot of voters ran to LFI from.
I may be wrong but don't a lot of people view the PS as a traitorous party based on Hollande's tenure?
Yeah that's pretty much the popular view on the party, but that doesn't make the candidate himself an establishment one. Pretty ironic too, considering the similarities between his program and LFI.
That would be like calling Bernie Sanders an establishment candidate had he been nominated as the Democratic candidate for the 2016 elections, merely because of the Democratic party's past behavior. It's just absurd.
I think it would be more like if Bernie Sanders had won in 2016, but implemented orthodox democratic policies, and then another Bernie Sanders-like candidate ran in 2020 with a left wing platform and having his reliability called into question.
Your party can't quite betray if it never ran on a far-left-ish platform to begin with.
"Far-left"? You mean left?
And I don't recall Hollande proposing UBI or similar measures. I don't see the similarities you claim, but then again you call Mélenchon "left-wing Le Pen" so eh.
The point is, Macron wasn't necessarily the "least worse" of the bunch, but it's not like we have much of a choice now. At least he's a decent representative abroad. Let's just hope next time some right-winger pretends to be a centrist we won't be swindled as easily.
That's why I added -ish. Mixing analogies for America and France is difficult since even the current democratic party is about as left as most americans can stomach
Perception still matters quite a lot, hence the departures to LFI. If America has a system that permitted third parties to do anything, and Sanders had the nomination, we may well still have seen another left-wing party still going against him.
It’s true. The socialist brand has yet to recover from Hollande’s tenure, but another blow suffered was that some PS assets ran to EM! early in Macron’s campaign announcement or shortly thereafter. A decent portion of their respective electorates followed suit, with varying results as you pointed out.
It’s hard to tell what the socialists are up to these days. Hamon is gone and I feel like a good chunk of that 6% was on him alone. I think it was pretty brave of him to distance his campaign from LFI on Syria. He’s been accused of dividing the left but if the left wants to stand in line with assad I don’t want to be in that party.
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