Lab-Grown Meat Is Coming to Your Supermarket. Ranchers Are Fighting Back. - General

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaGnMWBQMBE Cronyism is disgusting. Hampering technological process because it competes with your commercial interests is one of the worst things you can do. I think vegans will still object to this though as it's still an animal derived product. I know PETA still complains about insulin production because the cells used to make insulin were derived from animals decades ago.

Tbh, I've asked a few vegans about this since I'm p. excited at the prospect of being able to solve the problem of animal rearing and slaughter without having to convince everyone to give up meat, and I've always gotten responses that it'd be gucchi. You'd have some loud cunts sure, but I'm not sure it's the majority. Also farmers are A-Class rentseekers so this is to be expected.

I'd agree with the sentiment raised by the Cattlesmen Association, but holy fuck the Egg Board actually considering using mafia connections is some dark shit. Also, I do have to ask the obvious, yet somewhat disturbing question: How long before someone decides to grow human meat, and open a line of lab-grown cannibal foods? You guys may call that notion crazy, but a lot of folks would probably have less anger/sentiment over meat which is effectively never been slaughtered.

wonder if we'll get synthetic people meat

Lab-grown meat will never taste as good as the real deal. And by real deal I do not mean factory meat - I mean actual farm meat, from animals fed things beside artificial gruel and allowed to move and develop their musculature. Nobody will ever bother to accurately recreate all these factors that go into meat tasting actually good.

How is the carbon emissions from something like this? The biggest reason to go vegetarian is the sheer scale of how much methane cows produce so if that can offset it sign me the fuck up.

The resistance against developing cruelty-free food is reprehensible. I hope future generations will look back on our exploitative methods of food production similarly to how we view slavery now.

Oh yeah, they sit on blocks of land worth millions of dollars and then expect government handouts.

Technically, human meat is some of the most healthy for us due to how the proteins in it are a perfect fit for humans.

Honestly I could see it being used for growing absurdly nutrition/calorie dense meat. Think of stuff like rat meat. People currently do not eat it because of diseases and the association of being poor with the consumption of rats... Thing is that rat meat is extremely calorie dense and contains a great deal of protien. Now imagine if someone went the hardcore route and said, "fuck replicating, lets make our own!" and starts making bars of meat the size of a Kit Kat, which would have 2,000 k/cal, and provides your daily requirements for vitamins, metals, ect.

Oh piss off. Animals in their natural habitats suffer far crueler deaths on the regular. Trying to act like we are above killing things for sustenance is just meaningless posturing.

I imagine you'd still be at risk of prion diseases eating lab grown "human", though I don't think there would be any ethical problems if the initial genetic material came from a consenting person.

Same thing with rat meat. Most people still refuse to even humor the idea of consuming it though, even though the infrastructure already exists in some areas.

I've never had this in my life so it's a good replacement for me.

I bought Just Mayo the other day because I had a coupon. I honestly thought it was just another "new-age," hipster-esque brand (like Brandless I've been seeing ads for), but I was still down for it. I figured they were going for a bare-bones approach, and that it was "Just Mayo," without any fancy bullshit that Kraft or Hellman's would put in. Hell, I didn't know that egg was such an important part of mayonnaise that non-egg was a big deal (it sounds stupid in retrospect, but I never bothered to look into what makes mayonnaise). I haven't tried it, yet, but now I'm a lot more curious. As for lab-grown meat, I'm absolutely eager to see that start up. I can almost guarantee that I won't replace regular meat with it when it comes up, because it can't be cheaper. I've no doubt that lab-grown ground beef will be upwards for $6.99 lb easy. But as a concept, I'd love for the process to be figured out the kinks so the price can be lower. I'm definitely looking forward to trying their meat, and will definitely pick it up when I see it, to try it out.

The deaths may be crueler but the lives are not, and the deaths certainly aren't happening on an industrial scale. We (at least in the west) are in a position now where we don't need to kill animals in order to survive and be healthy, and this position is only going to strengthen in the future provided we allow it to. The fact that suffering happens on a smaller scale in the wild doesn't excuse the mass suffering created by our farming practices. I'm not saying that everyone who consumes animal products is a bastard, I do myself, but the faster we can move to the mass-adoption of cruelty-free food the better.

Totally missed the point. It's not "we killed them, so it's cruel." It's "we abused them and forced them into miserable, horrible lives before we killed me."

Like PETA. They hate lab-grown meat because they just hate the idea of eating meat.

It might not be cheaper now, or even ten years from now, but in the long run I suspect it will be cheaper.

Exactly, and I'm greatly looking forward to that day. To me, a meat industry shutting down due to lack of necessity is an absolutely wonderful idea.

That's a bit of an assumption, maybe that will be the case at first but eventually they'll probably be able to fine tune the lab meat to taste exactly how they want without having to specially breed generations of cattle to get it just right.

And new, strange flavors you'd never get naturally are a possibility too. Pre-seasoned meat!

Honestly this seems like the best stab towards getting more food to more people atleast more humanely and efficiently than any other "organic" alternative or other new age BS. In my view this isn't against veganism because one isn't eating a sentient creature, only the non-sentient cells. Consider the following, if one is creating synthetic meat from the pure muscle and fat cells of an animal, then all of the energy (glucose, etc) is going towards growing those cells instead of going towards none edible parts like bone, brain, circulatory, skin, etc. You simply have a more efficient process instead of waiting years for a calf to grow up, pack on pounds and then slaughter whilst being, IMO, humane.

I’m all for ethical farming, but suffering is a state of life that will never be done away with. Animals die in the wild. They don’t die peacefully, it’s euther through being preyed upon, or starvation or disease or another equally gruesome death. I agree we have no need to inflict needless suffering, but it’s an inherent element of life, and animals dying is okay with me. It’s the most natural thing. If lab grown meat ends up being as nutritionally viable and tasty as regular meat we’ll see a switch. But that’s a big question.

There will still be vegans who refuse to eat it because it is meat based. I imagine people who take part in religious vegetarianism will have a problem with it too.

I hope it's as tasty as most meat now. Especially if it's cheaper.

Why would you agree that lab-grown meat should not be sold as "meat"? For the sake of argument, assume that the hypothetical meat is identical in a blind taste test.

True, but I don't think he was arguing that we should go out of our way to make an effort to guarantee that every single animal on the planet dies peacefully. Just that we shouldn't be forcing animals to be farmed in a factory with little to no chance for a decent life.

I wonder what this will mean for the hunting industry. I've been looking into it as a less cruel (and cheaper) alternative to store-bought meat. Basically, the idea is that the animal lives a natural life and dies more or less instantly via gunshot/arrow wound, rather than being subjected to the factory farm system. This would more or less do away with that argument though.

this is an appeal to futility.