https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvdDKjy-87w&t=0s
Standard H3 vid, I feel like his views on cultural appropriation / social justice type of videos are a bit redundant a this point.
There will always be people like this dude who hates/complains about whites, so I think maybe taking a break from this "sjw" stuff will be good for Ethan and his audience in general.... IF HE EVER WILL FUCKING TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.
If anything, I would rather see a video of Ethan analyzing the mob mentality and how stupid people are willing to be in order to be mean to one person.
(Also, idk if other people share the same view as me: I feel like America is sort've a pick-and-choose place when it comes to cultures. You can basically live with many cultures in one lifestyle to your liking. That's kinda the point of America. It isn't really stealing anything )
His thing isn't that someone complained, it's that 160,000 people just flicked an anonymous umumumuuhmuhumuh instead of clarifying their view with some knowledge or adding anything of relevance, which is entirely a salient point.
As for Ethan's tact, A the video isn't ten minutes so why do it, when he's literally shown the videos of both japanese and chinese women telling people to get over it regarding their clothing and they do not give a shit respectively, which would have been B about a three minute video with the same point and more impact.
Everywhere is a pick and choose place, you'll find.
I feel like this isn't really a good video to make after he did the same thing (siccing his fans on someone who called him transphobic) and then made a non-apology for it after.
??? He made the tweet as a response to somebody calling him transphobic.
Pretty different from this situation where some guy calls out some girl as "culturally appropriating" by wearing a dress to prom.
One is being made as a defense, the other is being made as an accusation.
Bloody hell, looks like the fashion police are out in full force again.
Yeah I'm not really liking the direction H3H3 is going, as funny as it is to make fun of silly over the top reactions it's pretty low hanging fruit at this point. Doing the "x person reacted to a thing stupidly, here's why he/she's wrong" thing has been done to death.
you're completely right, the reactions don't even bother me anymore--- and here is Ethan always sperging about "X said this about that, SJW that sjw this!!"
we get it now, "sjws" will probably be a thing for awhile now. At this point they are part of the internet and not really newsworthy anymore :\
SJW's are todays soccer moms. They'll ultimately end up being replaced by the next outrage culture that is born and go away.
I believe when people don't have anything to fight towards, the mind fabricates something to fight for. If we don't constantly fight towards something, we go crazy.
I think it's more accurate to call SJWs a moral panic/morality police, honestly. The difference is that this time it's being instigated by the younger generation and not the old, which is super interesting.
I liked this video, but I guess because I spent 3 hours arguing with a friend of mine about the original tweet it felt more relevant to me lmao
Although that argument kind of hit a massive brick wall. I argued that the idea of cultural appropriation goes agains the benefits of a multi-cultural society (one where people from different cultures can share and adopt eachothers ideas, art, music, fashion, language and so forth). She disagreed that there can be limits to what is and isn't accepted. I challenged that by asking where those limits are, because it seems to be pretty damn muddy given some things are already widely adopted like food (ie. Sushi) or music (ie. Rap), so what's the framework? She argued that you have to ask the community it's about, so ask the China community about this dress for instance.
So then I countered that by asking if it wasn't a bit ridiculous to ask the communities of a culture, in a multi-cultural society, for permission to take part in their culture when no such favor is asked of western culture. The response was that western culture "hasn't been oppressed historically, so it doesn't matter".
I just kinda dipped from the conversation there.
I took intercultural communications this semester, a thinly-veiled front for introduction to social justice.
It sounds to me like SJWs are misinterpreting what academics have to say and carrying it over to the extreme.
For example, we learned that appropriation, even modification of another culture, is fine if you are respectful and give credit. It's not a sin to participate in another group's culture.
Yeah, the vast majority of cases like this is someone taking a legitimate idea and then going hog wild with it. It's not the idea that's wrong, it's just applied terribly. Sadly their misapplication does a lot to discredit the idea itself since they don't know any better and probably won't learn much from the idiots using it a lot.
I still think it's ok for him to make these kinds of videos. You people can just skip it if you're "burned out" on the topic. But if it means his audience gets encouraged to take a beat and think before sperging next time they get an angst fit at the sight of "cultural appropriation", it's a good ting on the whole. Afaik, he still makes his usual content, right?
Can H3H3 fuck off already?
I can understand the qualms around cultural appropriation, and I see it as legitimate in many circumstances, however I'm unsure about this particular instance. I can understand why the person who made the tweet could feel how he did, but to bully and harass the girl who seemingly had no awareness is wrong. You must educate, not intimidate. Also, I find the counter argument to cultural appropriation, that these groups appropriate western customs, as a null point. I think having historical context in mind is crucial, as someone coming from a minority group that has been historically oppressed and subjugated in Western society, such as the Chinese, would not have any benefit appropriating Western culture beyond assimilation. These cultural groups adapted to Western culture historically as a means to survive, as not doing so certainly meant a greater level of discrimination and hardship for those groups. On the other hand, white Americans adopting a culture is flattery at the most basic level, and blatant appropriation at its worst. Taking another group's identity, which has historically meant discrimination for them, and using it as a Westerner with all the privilege that entails means that you can live and even profit off of a culture that isn't or at least wasn't until recently able to do the same. I just think it is important to have historical context in mind as a white person choosing to incorporate elements of other cultures into your own, if you acknowledge that then its generally fine I'd say.
cultural appropriation is just an anthropological phenomoenon that describes the fact that cultures give and take from each other. it's a natural process, not one that should be stopped or rallied against. it's just part of the fluidity of culture. it's a damn shame that so many people twist it into a tool to beat others with.
this is the first ever instance ive seen on fp of someone pissed at h3
amazing
Can't help but think about the pretentious douchebag in this. Born and raised in the US, and thinks he's the fucking culture ambassador of china.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo59LlkTDe4
Human nature, innit?
I forget who said it but someone coined the term "terminally offended" for 'sjws'. I like it, I feel like it fits better and it's politically neutral. Both sides of the fence have people that are terminally offended.
What these people fail to realize is that we are a global economy and socially we are more connected then ever. I can with the click of a button order a suit made in china where as maybe 20-30 years ago I would have to have a special connection with some type of business to do that. Point being is, as ease of access to other economies you are going to see an export of culture and an import of culture. Who fucking cares if she has this dress on? To me it is more of a complement that she selected a the dress over a traditional prom one that everyone else wears. She was not being offensive about it, it isn't like she went to prom with bamboo straw hat and some costume buck teeth. I think she looked very classy in the dress. On the plus side she also gave someone business because I doubt that dress was cheap. We also put an added value on certain cultures goods - like Italian leather for example.
People try to find outrage out of everything and complain about this shit. But they're the same ones that yell and cry that the country should not go back into isolationism, which arguably is what their attitude promotes in my opinion.
Ethan's just not the kind of guy I want to see commenting on social issues. His format is too clickbaity and he just ends up playing into the youtube trend of being like " wow look at what this crazy tumblr lady said" when there are far more important things to talk about.
I laugh everytime I hear Americans talking about how multi cultural their country is, when you got people picking these issues, and blowing it out of proportion.
Try coming here, we'll show you true integration.
If you want to play the multicultural card you wont win because the united states is comprised of some 98% immigrants from across globe.
It is yes but it's still best to do these things in a respectful manner (which is the issue that's supposed to be at hand when talking about it). The main idea is respect and not making a mockery or bastardizing something which most everyone can get behind I think. It's a shame that phrase has been abused so much.
One thing i really find hypocritical about SJW's "Cultural Appropriation" thing is that it's not only Segregationist as FUCK (!!!), it's also "just" another fucking case of the (this time, morally) superior white (wo)man policing what everyone else is allowed to do and not do when interacting with, or experiencing other cultures. Often going so cringe-inducingly far, as to school people on their own heritage and being retardedly wrong, socially obnoxious and just morally bankrupt in the act.
It's just a new way for these people to get themselves a carte-blanche on at best, cultural and racial ignorance and at worst, blatant bigotry. It's not better just because it's coming from the left. Yeah, the right-wing branch of racism is what MLK was fighting 50 years ago this year. The other stuff is STILL reprehensible. Two wrongs don't make a right and it's not less malicious to invent new avenues to practice xenophobia. It's just a more cunning, stealthy kind of bigotry.
I thought the whole point of multiculturalism was pretty much this, that a lot of cultures come together and get to experience each other.
But no according to twitter retards its where we all isolate ourselves into our specific cultures and never interact with each other, which ironically sounds like the alt-right idea of an ethnostate.
this whole thing is funny to me, because it surely must be more culturally appropriative for a self-identifying half-white guy named Jeremy, who also grew up entirely in the United States, to elect himself representative for Asian culture when in reality he most likely had to learn about that culture on Wikipedia rather than actually participating in it or having it be directly relevant to his life
Which is annoying as hell because there's plenty of valid issues that first-world progressives could be working on instead of making up garbage like this.
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