Biohacker CEO Aaron Traywick was found dead in a flotation therapy tank - Sensationalist Headlines

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/59jxak/biohacker-ceo-aaron-traywick-was-found-dead-in-a-floatation-therapy-tank Sad day of Biohacking community.

" he live-streamed injecting himself with a compound designed to alter his genetic code and cure him of HIV." Play stupid games...

Wasn't he just in a Vice video on biohacking too? Damn, he seemed like a real interesting guy.

Interesting kind of like how serial killers are interesting. He was a fucking idiot, and I hope nobody killed themselves by following him.

I mean, if the guy was willing to put his own body on the line to test his theories, he at least seemed to believe in what he was doing. Even if it was stupid.

I think is reason why he dies, If more evidence was likely case for now. Even his gene-splicing-like tactic is unethical for most people. Doesn't means to shit on him. Especially right now he's dead.

He didn't take anyone down around him and he kept his experiments contained to himself. You chastise him because he didn't succeed. Your tune would be totally reversed if he actually lived to produce beneficial results.

H was encouraging other people to do the same thing as him, experimenting on yourself despite having no medical expertise. Spreading this message is completely unethical and irresponsible and while obviously it sucks that he died, I can't say I'm the least bit surprised. This should serve as a warning for anybdoy who though he knew what he was talking about.

Risk takers who fail should still be celebrated for showing others what not to do But still, there gets to a point where it's non-sensical.

You mean himself, since he's only one gene spliced attempted to self-experimenting. And until if more evidence that he did purposely committed suicide (through autopsy by police) by guilt. Than least just give and equal little guilty for let his guy's death.

Yeah, my tune would change if someone thought they could phase through walls if they ran into them hard enough succeeded. What's your point?

Gene modification isn't throwing a dice in Vegas - in medical experiments, you carefully stack the cards against the house so hard, the fucking building crashed down into rubble from the weight of your hard. He had neither the knowledge or the experience to do this successfully. There's literally a form on the company website where you can sign up to let them know you want to be injected with their weird-ass untested shit. HIV Trial Form – Ascendance Biomedical "Preclinical and clinical studies are currently in-development", and they're collecting names. Also, I don't know how successful those studies are considering one of the people participating in the "study" just croaked. This is the one case where I hope they had a sample size of 1.

My point is that he didn't say "Watch me phase through this brick wall!", and then run head first into and kill himself. He did something that is absolutely cutting edge in medicine right now, tried it out when there are no other alternatives to turn to, and we should learn from the data he made in the process. Just because you think him injecting himself with something unknown is dumb doesn't mean it lacks utility in the field.

Yeah or he poisoned himself by accident, are you joking dude

"Aaron Traywick, the controversial CEO of the biohacking company Ascendance Biomedical, which encouraged people to conduct medical research outside the confines of pharmaceutical companies and academia, " This is a man who encouraged people to ignore the literature on medical science and perform unregulated experiments on themselves without any expertise or understanding of what they're doing. He's telling people to ignore everybody that knows what they're talking about, and instead inject yourself with your own homebrew unregulated hack cures that might just as easily kill you. I don't think he should be dead. I think he should be in prison. Dunno what you're trying to say with your last two sentences in that post.

The way I read it, he's telling people to research outside the box, which gene editing is certainly outside the box in modern medicine. I think interpreting that as him telling people to ignore present research and academia is a sensationalist stretch. It isn't in a controlled environment, but if it produces results, we have data, and we can work from it. If it doesn't we lose one person who was consenting to the risks and harms no one else. It's not textbook, sure, but it isn't really malicious either. Also, I had Tristan Roberts in my mind when I was replying (the HIV cure testing guy), so that skewed my perspective, but my stance is still the same nevertheless.

Cutting edge in the same sense someone with a GED building a "free energy" machine in their garage is cutting edge.

He's officially dead in Isolation tank's liquid regardless he suicide himself and no way around that sic excuse just because he gene spliced himself months ago.

The problem with this kind of self-experimentation as well as other gungho trials is that they're often designed in a way that leads to no useful data.

I literally can't understand your posts.

I agree. But in this case, I would say that anything he did (producing some result) would be useful data, solely because there is so little data in the field to begin with. That is assuming he is willing to share that data and not try to profit off of it by holding out or something. Let's say that had he lived and said he was cured, refused to be academically reviewed, and then tried to pedal this onto impressionable people, then yeah, burn the guy at the stake. But at the stage it ended at, I can't really fault him for it.

No, we don't have data. That's not how science works. Even if he comes out of it and he starts recovering from whatever disease he's trying to deal with, that tells us absolutely nothing about whether or not the cure works, because one person isn't data, it's an anecdote. There are many, many things that can result in changes to someone's health. To actually say anything about causation you need to actually use the scientific method, control for other factors, have a large sample size, and being a fucking doctor doesn't hurt either.

That was addressed on Oldpunch somewhere. It's best/not worth to not address it again.

....... Do you do similar biohacking things to yourself? Out of curiosity.

He wants to become a real life version of his fursona

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I don't think you get it. If you don't control for variables and do proper investigation as to how you think your product is going to react in general, let alone the human body, you're not doing medical research, you're committing suicide.

I want to ask but I also don't want to contribute to bullying

What a fucking idiot. The only reason his immune system didn't destroy the foreign material is because he ended up spazzing out and dying in his bathtub. "You can't alter genetic code" is such a fucking basic concept that they don't even bother teaching it you in genetics courses, you only get reminded of it when you start learning epigenetics because you're not altering the code, you're altering the structure and expression of genes.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/10/novel-crispr-derived-base-editors-surgically-alter-dna-or-rna-offering-new-ways-fix That's old thinking. There's ways to play with this and they're only going to get better.