Bloody Tories. Remind me why they've not been boo-d out again?
They paid the DUP a billion pounds to not boo them.
Yep, people that voted against this were 306 Conservatives and 9 DUPs.
Who would've thought?
News about the Tories has started to become similar to Trump for me now. Seeing headlines like this just elicits "ughh of course they did..." from me. It's been nothing but non-stop fuck ups, awful regressive policy decisions and total ineptitude from the PM herself since they paid all that cash to ensure their victory.
Fuck the right wing.
Not sure if this is a right-left thing, or just that the UK Conservatives and Republicans are populated by reptilians. You can have right-wing views without being a total shitcunt
Republicans and tories are completely reptillian but right wing views are generally unhealthy for the greater society and are mostly based in being against efforts of equality and fairness in favor of social darwinism. "Real" conservatives like CDU are mostly just a stumbling block on this and manage their countries pretty much at least competently while reactionaries like the Tories and Republicans actively rip out things that benefit poor people for pure ideological reasons (bootstraps baby).
I really don't know what kind of right wing views you're even talking about though if you can explain because I'm kind of curious.
If you make this kind of claim, I don't think you should put burden of proof on someone else a few lines later. Please flesh this out a little bit. (I'm not even saying I disagree with you)
It's a pretty common strawman that the right wing is against charity. I don't think this moral divide actually exists unless you are looking at the extreme right wing -- and substituting extremist thoughts into normal people's mouths is dubious. I think the right wing view in this case is that charity is the responsibility of the communities and extended family around you, and that delegating your moral responsibility of charity to someone in a government office, who has little to no contact with the people they're actually supposed to help, erodes and withers these ties; it can also cut people off from the help they need through e.g. dehumanising appeals proceses. It's more a question of who should do it (and in particular, the role of government in it) than what should be done.
I'll give an example anecdote: my Christian-conservative parents donate most of their disposable income, and a lot of their time, to either global or local charities. They genuinely believe (and I do not agree with this) that most people are like them and, if you lowered taxes, people would donate more to charities in response. Also, their Church has a few hundred members, a couple of whom have serious health issues which are difficult or impossible to get good treatment for under the NHS; they're all more than happy to contribute to private care for the couple of members who need it. They're also overwhelmingly Tory voters, which I do find a little hard to reconcile, but I guess they are voting more for an idea of what the party is/was than the clowns actually in office today.
I'm not saying that this granular approach to charity actually works well, or scales as well as centralised institutions. I'm just saying they're not shitcunts
Sorry, I don't get what you mean here. Are you saying that centre-right like CDU are drawing votes away from further right parties, and stopping a rightward slide? (In which case, doesn't CDU better reflect these voters' views, since they actually get the votes?) Or are you saying that centre-right is a slippery slope or gateway drug to further-right thought? I'm not sure I buy that. Please help me out here, I honestly don't think I've understood your point properly.
Here you mention competence and dogmatism as better axes to measure a politician along than left-right. I fully agree with this, and I actually think this is what I was trying to say in the first place.
John Major fucked National Rail by following his Thatcherite hardon for the free market (quintessentially right-wing), in a situation where confounding issues will always create local monopolies. The Wilson government fucked the UK auto industry by creating BL, a nationalised monopoly (quintessentially left-wing?), in a luxury goods market of all things. The problem in both of these cases is dogmatism in the face of issues which require thought, not the particular political leanings of each government.
A lot of our issues with the Tories seem to stem from ineptitude or outright corruption, like dismantling the NHS and health care benefits whilst owning stakes in private medical companies.
If I'm honest, you seem more derisive than curious.
Yeah, perhaps don't start going "boooooooo the right-wing is always bad". The "moderate right" is considered a type of right-wing politics and, in superficial theory, there's nothing wrong with it. As much as a leftie as I am, it's just silly to try strengthen your policies with "right-wing is 100% bad". Neither Labour nor Conservatives have been shining examples of government in the last 20 years.
The "Moral responsibility" and "no contact with who they're supposed to help" is seriously a massive appeal to feelings when you can consider how much pragmatic, actual good we can do to benefit people's lives and in turn our society as a whole through good welfare programs that achieve the end goal of making people have stable, functional lives. See Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Iceland. These are the happiest countries on earth and employ these methods, I seriously don't know how anyone can argue against this reality. The facts are there. Welfare states work. We have living examples, let this argument die. I seriously hate how you mention any of these countries to an American conservative and it's always just "somethingsomething racial and ethnic homogenized societies", as if what we're doing in America is just completely fine and we can't even try their models because "reasons".
"Competence" is in itself a pretty misconstrued term because of how its used. Australian Liberal Party often says "Labour is so idealistic but they're incompetent and won't manage the economy right!" And then they proceed to absolutely gut a program that would've given Australia extremely good internet at fast rates that was entirely accounted for by the previous labour government. "Competency" is in itself a rallying cry for right wing parties for those who wouldn't be otherwise convinced by some of the nastier bits, at least in America. It's why it's such a meme that as you grow older and "wiser" you vote republican and democrats are just "silly idealistic young people". It's how republicans get people who aren't complete sociopaths on board with their philosophy.
Sorry about my CDU example, I meant CDU halts certain "progressive" policies, e.g. they were blocking gay marriage for the longest time (even though Germany still had Civil Unions which had the same benefits but whatever.) But they don't actively try to demolish their country. It's sort of "true" conservatism, in being opposed to change and holding the line, as opposed to the reactionary philosophies of Tories, Liberals, and Republicans.
Ultimately I think Right Wing vs Left Wing is still a useful axis, and while a leftist myself, I'm not in the mindset of "lefter = better". Left vs Right is generally a fundamental idea of how society should be organized in terms of hierarchy and equality. The further right you go, the more desire you have for hierarchical, inequal structures like Monarchism, Capitalism, Fascism, Racism, Homophobia are all hierarchies of various right wing ideologies. The further left you go down the axis the more you desire for total equality among people and less powerful or no hierarchy until you reach anarchism.
Political leanings is important to consider because they are the fundemental differences in how we think society *ought* to be. Some people genuinely think poor people should be left to eat shit and die from losing housing or welfare. Kevin O'Leary Says 3.5 Billion Living in Poverty is "Fantastic" .. Obviously he didn't say it outright but you can definitely get a sense he doesn't give a shit or consider it his problem.
I was genuinely wondering what you would bring up as an example and didn't mean bad faith or hostility.
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