UK cries foul over exclusion from EU satellite plan - Sensationalist Headlines

https://www.ft.com/content/ff5bbc0c-3120-11e8-b5bf-23cb17fd1498 News on Monday that Brussels will no longer include the UK in post-Brexit plans for Galileo’s highly encrypted public regulated service, and that British companies were being excluded from lucrative tenders on future projects as a result, had government and industry crying foul. “We have been very clear that as long as we are members of the EU we will meet our obligations and we should continue to be treated as full members of the EU,” Theresa May, prime minister, told MPs. “The UK does have a world-leading space sector. We believe that it’s not just in the UK’s interest to be able to continue to participate as we have done in that programme: it’s in the interests of the EU too.” Galileo is Europe’s rival to the global positioning system developed and controlled by the US, used by millions of consumer devices around the world in a multibillion-dollar satnav market. From a few months ago but I haven't seen it posted anywhere

Maybe you shouldn't have fuckin' left then mate.

All statements like that do is reinforce this as a policy of spite against the British. Britain invested funds for 12% of the project since 2003 (15 years of funding). I think it is reasonable to expect that they remain included, having funded a proportionally more than most member states. I can see no reason why anyone would want to exclude Britain other than supranationalism, political dogma, or spite. Britain is leaving the EU, but it can leave on good terms, and that means the EU has to make some reasonable concessions such as this.

That's a possibility, but the people of UK would have to get their leaders to actually execute that. "Brexit means Brexit" press conferences don't exactly build a good relationship.

The UK is still contributing money to the program and should have access to it.

I'd agree that the UK is doing a pretty bad job, and I'm no fan of how the UK's government is executing Brexit. However, I do think that the EU has to meet Britain halfway, and I feel like things like this serve as good examples of the EU not doing that. I'm still not entirely sure how I feel about Brexit, but we're leaving, and I think the EU should come to terms with working alongside a post-EU Britain, because they don't have much choice. A relationship with the EU is inevitable, so both the EU and UK should work to make it a good one.

I sort of agree but if it's something they've been a part of since beforehand and have spent considerable resources towards the decision's still a bit strange

Is the plan more than one year into the future? Then tough luck, mates. You ain't a part of it. Less than one year? Yeah, exclusion is kind of a dick move.

What obligation does the EU have to protect the UK from its own stupidity? This project should probably have been considered before you all went "BRITAIN STRONK BRITAIN DON'T NEED NO ONE". If ya order a burger and fuck off for months before it's ready, you're not entitled to a free one once ya come back

If you pay for a burger, you should be entitled to a burger. Personally, I don't agree with your idea that running policies along the lines of resentment is effective or productive diplomacy.

I see the colonies are acting up again. Gunnar, fetch my axe!

You have to look at the whole picture really. By that logic, someone who had been contributing for 48 of the 50 years (this is a hypothetical) should still be able to be excluded. Britain has contributed for 15 years already, with the relatively large proportion of 12% per year (there are 28 EU member states and Britain is contributing over 1/10th of the funding - proportionally it's paying one of the highest percentages). I feel like this needs to be taken into account when deciding whether Britain deserves to be included; personally, I believe it does, because it will have inevitably have contributed more to the whole project than other EU member states.

good point, either we pay and have access or we forfeit all funds and agreements with EU

"Tough shit" is a very blunt and unreasonable approach to take to international diplomacy and simply shows that you're more willing to resort to base emotions than what is actually better for the EU and Britain.

Look, i'm gonna have to put this under the "tough shit" umbrella an remind you people that making rash decisions often comes back to bite your ass in the balls. There was nothing justifying an EU ragequit in the way you did, apart from a sudden wave of national pride. You pretty much moon-sharted in the general direction of the mainland while furiously jerking off to the odor of your own crusty, dried up turd-brigade. Just because you're only gonna have a major trade and economic crisis to show for your juvenile tantrum doesn't mean you're entitle to some kind of retroactive refund from the rest of us. That's not how it works.

You talk about "our juvenile tantrum" but your post ironically reads exactly like that. Your entire view seems to be driven entirely by a dislike for Britain. Of course you're going to throw it under the "tough shit" umbrella; it's not like you can throw it under your critical thinking umbrella, because you're not doing any.

mate come to terms with it, brexit was a completely rash and random decision and things like this are exactly why it was a terrible decision. There's no reason that the EU should have to bend over backwards because "we did a whoopsie", tough shit if we've contributed loads to it so far, we're now willingly removing ourselves from that and this is one of the side effects of it. When we were in the EU we always wanted special treatment, now that we're leaving we're still wanting to be specially treated? Sorry, not happening. Literally wish some people here would get educated about the whole situation. We brought this upon ourselves due to sheer stupidity and the morons in power just now. Don't expect concessions.

Isn't this something that they should have talked about during the Brexit proposals with EU? If they forget to include that in their compromises it's on them. But as long as they're in the EU and contributing they should be included.

I have, nowhere in this threat, espoused any support for leaving the EU or it being a good idea. I'm simply stating that Britain, having invested money over a long period (more than most EU member states) into this programme, deserves to remain a part of it. It is a reasonable concession that the EU should be prepared to make, imo.

i understand what your point is but what i'm trying to convey is that because of the action of leaving the EU, they've sacrificed the option to be a part of that group. We're not in the upper hand to negotiate things ( EU objectively have the better hand ), we can't expect or deserve anything when we've cut ties and told an entire group of countries to F off essentially. Think of Britain's actions in this game.

Wow its almost as if we chose to exclude ourselves from the EU without any understanding of what that would actually mean gosh what a shock someone get Farage on the phone I'm sure he'll know what to do.

every time i hear about brexit im just like... can't they just... not leave?

You seem to believe that you are speaking to the UK. This may shock you, but that poster you are replying to is not a country. It is an individual.

If you left the EU you don't get to be part of EU-exclusive projects. There is no nationalism or dogma, and it's not out of spite. You quit the EU. You don't get to still benefit from what the EU offers. You don't get free travel through EU states. You don't get discounted tariffs from the economic agreements. You don't get to tell other countries what laws to institute. You don't get to be part of its space programs. You left the EU because you didn't want to contribute to it, it doesn't have to give you anything. Them's the breaks.

Do you have a bone to pick? You need to stop posting like this in every goddamn thread, because you're anything but peachy to converse with. I don't know why you're trying to be clever with me or anyone else, but i am aware that i'm talking to an individual... about a decision made by a nation as a whole. Are you expecting me to go "oh, i don't know whether you voted for or against, so it totally invalidates the point i was making that either way, the very rash and hasty decision to leave the EU is gonna have some downsides" Are you telling me that because i'm talking to an individual, Brexit is suddenly not a stupid move? All i'm seeing is you continuously putting on a show for the gallery.

All this shit over a vaguely worded referendum that ended with 51.89% voting to leave. If they wanted to use it as a way of gauging how people view the EU that would have been fine, they could have seen people were unhappy and tried taking steps to improve things. But no we have a 1.89% majority better burn the whole thing down BREXIT TILL I DIE

We already have contributed, more than most. That counts for something.

And now we chose to leave, leaving means we aren't a part of the club anymore. So past contributions are irrelevant. They don't have to give us shit.

I paid for a train ticket once. That means I get to ride the train whenever I want.

The entitlement is almost corrosive.