• Trump to NRA: Knife crime left London hospital 'like a war zone'
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44007312
I tried to cut a sandwich with a semi-automatic rifle. It didn't go so well.
By contrast I used an AK-47 to clear my constipation and it worked gangbusters.
My AA12 decimated the ingredients for my cheeky thai green last night.
Well there's your problem, you don't use a semi-auto rifle to cut a sandwich, you gotta use an automatic pistol.
can't stick a gun in the power outlet checkmate knifeists
This is a myth put out by the automatic pistol industry to sell more. Any job an automatic pistol can do can also be done by an automatic rifle, they just want you to invest in several tools that essentially do the same thing. I only have an M1 Garand in my kitchen and it does everything I need of it.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/16/17244882/youtube-shooting-trauma-surgery-zuckerberg-san-francisco-general-hospital One of the ways that it’s described is if a high-velocity [bullet] hits your liver, it basically looks like you have dropped a watermelon from standing position to the ground, and it just basically explodes — it kind of blows up. And that’s what your liver looks like if it hits it. Whereas if you’re shot with a handgun in your liver, there’s a cone of destruction that’s about a centimeter around and it goes through the liver in that fashion. We all go into trauma surgery because we’re trying to save people’s lives and get them back to their family. And what happens is unfortunately when you are shot with a weapon, this can cause irreparable damage. You can have a head injury, you can have major destruction, you can have loss of function in your arms or legs, depending on if your spinal cord is injured and what [the] location is; you can obviously die if you have a massive hemorrhage, and you have catastrophic injuries to vital organs. Things can happen that can change a life in a second. but yes, a few bloody knife wounds are much worse than having your insides liquified and shredded by ripper rounds.
I got preserves in my M4 and it jammed.
A large caliber round is pretty terrible, but a .223 round out of an AR-15 can potentially just cut straight through you without doing too much damage, while a fat slow moving .40 round out of a Glock can do a shit ton of damage. And from what I hear, being stabbed can be just as bad, and can feel even worse, than being shot But a knife can't reach out and stab you at 100 meters away
Just use this? http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/21/20307/ax47.jpg
"I recently read a story that in London, which has unbelievably tough gun laws, a once very prestigious hospital right in the middle is like a war zone for horrible stabbing wounds," he said on Friday. "They don't have guns. They have knives and instead there's blood all over the floors of this hospital. "They say it's as bad as a military war zone hospital. Knives, knives, knives, knives." He mimed a stabbing motion. I'm sorry, but I didn't realize we'd degenerated into the hospital landscape from Threads, Don.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44017054
that's not how you make cosmoline!
That's the logic a lot of people use to defend .45ACP against 9mm in PDW discussions, funnily enough.
.223 and 5.56 are functionally identical when it comes to exploding your insides. the thing handguns are bad about is that maximum leathality ammo that you see on youtube where they have it specifically designed to fragment or make the biggest wound channel possible, in the name of stopping power of course, even though a trauma surgeon had to deal with that later on
Pretty sure our knife crime problems lay with overly right wing governance and cuts to schools, the police, social programs and the general sense there's no future for poorer youth. I respect the fact that gun culture is a big part of the states and that most gun owners are good people, but it's something that really wouldn't work here ever and wouldn't fix our current problem at all.
I mean Trump is completely off base on this, but IIRC, London passed New York for murder rates recently. London murder rate overtakes New York as knife crime rises | Reu..
i'll take getting stabbed over getting shot any day thanks
"They say it's as bad as a military war zone hospital. Knives, knives, knives, knives." He mimed a stabbing motion. Sometimes I forget how much of a douchebag he is. Who? Who says??
He called hospitals war zones. There is no other reaction than mockery. I don't even know why you would say he is "completely off base" then say there is more discussion here. Not literally every argument needs a devils advocate. Sometimes people just say stupid shit.
London and New York are both very densely populated cities with comparable population sizes, yet New York is actually one of the safest cities in the United States. If London is a "warzone," then I'd hate to think what that makes the sixty-six US cities with higher violent crime rates than either New York or London.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=gT-qs7PwHnE
because his claim is off base and his rhetoric is it’s usual crazy bullshit because hospitals are not war zones so mock him and that all you want but there is a discussion about violence in the us to be had in our times that should be more nuanced than it has been IMO. Stupid shit can remind us to pay attention to certain things. i didnt feel like reiterating the same point already made so I posted a relevant article I remembered. BDA made some good arguments as to why New York isn’t the barometer for violence in the us today.
The last time I saw some statistics on it, I think the UK's homicide rate was only 25% of the US', and I presume a lot of that is due to knives being less lethal. I don't see guns returning here any time soon, thank god.
If any other leader chatted this level of shit I think we'd cancel their upcoming visit
Invite him to take a tour of the nearest hospital.
Not really. London murder rate is absolutely bad at the moment - that's the (unsurprising) result of years of cuts to police funding by the Tories. But knife vs gun, in terms of end result, is absolutely not comparable. And as far as I know, isn't London's, violent crime rate significantly below the US rate regardless?
At extremely close range. Intermediate cartridges are a little unusual in a way that few appreciate. When they were developed, they knew that .22 diameter rounds were a shitty idea, so they countered that by making the back of the round heavier than the front and relied heavily on rifling to stabilize the round. As soon as the spin on the bullet slows, the cartridge starts to tumble front over rear. This means it once it hits flesh, it tumbles through it like a buzz saw. Crushing tissue and, more importantly, generating a curved wound channel. Enjoy repairing a curved wound channel with no exit wound. Modern AR's actually aren't even as lethal as they should have been. The more unstable 5.56 is when it hits you, the worse the damage. Originally M-16's were only supposed to be accurate out to about 200 meters. The early testing generated some particularly gruesome wound channels with those. Anyways, on topic, Trump is a piece of shit and a moron and the NRA are a bunch of stupid fucks that don't even understand the rights they try to protect. Idiots all around.
I'm in favor of stricter gun regulations, but if the violent crime rate of the US is higher and the murder rate is lower, doesn't that mean that the average knife attack is somehow resulting in a fatality more often than the average gun attack?
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