House of Lords backs staying in single market after Brexit - Polidicks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44038476 The Lords ain't gonna win but they can try god dammit

I haven't exactly kept up to date with the brexit trainwreck, but would EU actually let UK to stay in the single market at all after they leave? Because it seems like a bad deal for EU to me, as it would tell other countries they can also leave and still keep the benefits.

Maybe as long as they paid the same fees as before and followed all of the regulations.

Thank zeus for checks and balances on government power. When the unelected lords do a better job than elected representatives. Really shakes one's faith in democracy.

Yea, but, Norway doesn't have the same relationship and history with the EU as th UK does. Again, the UK has really poisoned the well for themselves, with their brazen politicians and the decision to gamble with the countries furture in the EU like they did. To assume that they can "just" get a deal like Norway has is naive... in my opinion, atleast. And, all that aside, the deal Norway has requires the free movement of people, paying into the single market, while having no say in what happens in regards to regulations and the like. Those are big no-nos for Brexiters.

I'm aware of the deal Norway has with EU. The big difference is that Norway was never a full member of EU from the start. So why would EU let UK leave as full member only to get the same deal as Norway? As that would open up the point that other countries can do that too. It seems much like a "have the cake and eat it too" situation.

Norway's in the Schengen area.

It's actually far better for the EU, as the UK would still have to abide by the agreements and make payments without having any votes in the EU parliament.

Eh, I don't know if having to participate in the regulations you voted to leave while throwing away your right to vote on said regulations will look THAT great.

The Mail are back on their bullshit https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/994333124657065989?s=09

Can we pull the plug on Rupert Murdoch and deport him back to Australia? And I mean "we" as in the rest of the world that is not Australia. Sorry, Aussies. We have to put up with being the country that birthed Justin Bieber, you get Murdoch, and Trump's got American citizenship. We all have crosses to bear.

The way they stuck a pic of the Queen there makes it look like she's going to order their execution and retake all political power.

The Mail isn't owned by Murdoch :v

Yeah I've seen this crop up, people now calling for the Lords to be reformed or disbanded only to be reminded that this is exactly what they voted for when they wanted to TAKE BACK CONTROL.

I know Murdoch owns some shitty tabloid(s) there... did I confuse The Sun with the Daily Heil? I'd apologize except I'm fine with offending both publications.

I've never been in favour of Lords reform - having an elected upper house would be totally pointless and I much prefer having a house composed of people who, in theory, are appointed based on their experience in certain sectors. This just serves to galvanise my position

It would have to be different from the Commons in some way, IIRC the 2012 proposal was for Lords to be elected using proportional representation to 15-year terms, which would give a radically different composition than the Commons

You're absolutely correct. There is literally no reason the EU would allow it after all that's been said and done, while the Mail is stirring shit as it always does and will continue to do so. The EU is far from perfect but half the country chose for us to collectively shoot ourselves in the foot by deciding to leave (although I do wonder exactly how a re-vote might go if it were called today, though I doubt we'll ever find out)

The "have the cake and eat it too" situation is only if somehow the UK managed to stay in the market while NOT having to abide by EU laws which is impossible. If they do stay in the market the UK still ends up suffering since, while it is not as bad of a position as fully leaving, it's still bad in the way that they have to abide to EU laws but now they have no influence over them, so in terms of showing other EU countries that leaving or pulling a Norway isn't as good as just staying, this is still a win for the EU.