• North Korea will open air space, invite media to dismantlement of nuclear test
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http://thehill.com/policy/international/387406-north-korea-will-open-air-space-invite-media-to-cover-dismantlement-of
hope to fucking god they don't backpeddle on this shit. Though a part of me is afraid Trump is bound to fuck something up at the summit.
I'd love to go to NK to see this. Just because it's such a monumental thing.
I hope this doesn't take the heat off of North Korea. Their human rights situation is still the worst on the planet
the ultimate trap But no, that would be witnessing history. Hopefully they follow through on this.
Imagine them setting off all of their bombs after making it a big public event
At least we got a set date now. Either or situation.
can't wait to see how they dismantle a reactor, centrifuge complex, assembly complex, labs, and the miles and miles of tunnels in one day, probably best to use one of those bombs on all of it really.
I wouldn't go near anything nuclear made by NK without a rad counter
You would just be one more potential hostage to the pool.
Tbh, worth it regardless of how utterly pessimistic you're being about this.
Hardly, they've just said words so far. They weren't going to back out over Iran. They want something from the West, likely oil and food going from the last four times they said they'd stop. They, once they got it they'll go back to their nuclear testing and being provocative.
Until we have know with absolute certainty that these peace overtures are pure and honest, I will remain absolutely suspicious of their motives and intent. This could take years, but I will not trust North Korea unless it's already in the process of integrating into South Korea.
Isn't this just the plot to Team America?
I really doubt it will become united korea. It will stay NK and SK, but NK chills and stops antagonizing the world while opening up to foreign nations.
north korea doesn't have the material wealth to really make this a reality. Their only exports are slave labor and counterfeit bills, their economy is a joke and they know it. We have completely meaningless gestures right now, not really anything more. Ending the war with the south bought them a lot of good will without really giving anything up, I mean they still have ten thousand guns pointed down at the south, a military that's on alert to invade at a moments notice, and a very large, capable ballistic missile program. Kim is playing on both Moon's position as a peacemaker and Trump's ego to get some massive concessions that he will use to float his country another 10 years without giving up anything. they have a nuclear bomb design, they would be stupid not to squirrel away some plutonium somewhere, or even a few bombs. its hard to overstate just how bad we're setting ourselves up, Trump would give them a UN security council seat if it meant he had a victory to take to his rallies. NK on the UN security council would be a disaster, guaranteed they would abuse it to enrich themselves
They just had their nuclear test site implode on itself which is a great risk to their entire nation. It would be stupid of them not to give it up at this point.
All the things they've been doing lately is good but I still have my doubts
I can't tell if you mistyped or what, but the idea that their test site collapsed is why they should give up nuclear weapons is moronic.
You might understand what I'm saying if you didn't stop reading halfway through the sentence. Their test site collapsing like it did is a huge risk to their nation. See the bolded part that time? It's a huge risk because if that shit gets up into the air it could irradiate all of North Korea, not to mention much of SE Asia. Something that China, their closest ally and one of the closest nations to them, would obviously not want and would thus pressure them to avoid and something that no matter how scummy their government is, the North Korean government would also want to avoid for their own sake.
I guess I should add you to the list of incredibly ignorant people who have zero clue what they are talking about. The out of country radiological risk of North Korea's nuclear test site is negligible. The radiological risk to North Korea is negligible. There is a small radiological risk to people living nearby to the site, but the reduced life expectancy is probably undecipherable among all the other life-reducing factors that personify North Korea. The United States literally detonated thousands of kilotonnes of nuclear weapons in the open air at the Nevada Test Site, followed by another fifty or so megatonnes of testing underground at the same location (totalling more than nine-hundred individual nuclear weapons detonated), nearly all of which resulted in collapsed subsidence crates that released fission products into the atmosphere because the military felt that giant craters in the Nevada Desert was a good way to inspire confidence in the nuclear arsenal. In the US, maybe a few thousand people (and that is a maybe, because it's incredibly difficult to spot such a small death increase in a nation of hundreds of million of people) suffered shorter lives as a result of this testing. This is orders of magnitude worse than anything the North Korea could possibly do to themselves when they've only managed to detonate a few hundred kilotonnes yield all up. If their test site did collapse, all they're going to do is move next door and dig some more tunnels (tunnels that were always designed to be sacrificial anyway) for a new test site. The radioactive release from a cold test cavity is going to be tiny anyway as the really nasty short-lived fission products would have decayed and there is no longer any heat to pressurise the cavity and expel them.
the only real danger is the nuclear reactor they're using to breed fuel, its an indigenous design probably derived from a mix of international and soviet designs. its not exactly been kept in pristine conditions having been decommissioned and abandoned several times.
One of their reactors is Magnox derived, not sure about the other though. None the less, Magnox reactors are reasonably safe designs, assuming they directly copied the design instead of being "inspired" by it.
Im curious what North Korea is telling their people about all this. Iirc their nuclear program was highly public and a source of great national propaganda. How are they explaining that they're done testing and cutting deals with the 'enemy'? Do their people even know Kim Jong Un met with the South Koreans and Americans? (Pompeo/soon Trump) Getting a feed of NKs propaganda channels would probably be a good look into what their long game is here.
Wouldn't be surprised if they're being told the South is giving in to them or begging them to come over or whatever. They likely know but it is of course being heavily twisted.
Optimism with respect to the NK situation is foolish. They've proven time and time again to be unreasonable and dangerous. Frankly, NK has won. Their nuclear program has ensured that major nations now treat them as a serious threat. They're not disarming, they're dismantling a test site as a gesture of "goodwill." Now they're going to want us to lift sanctions and let them thrive economically and do abhorrent shit without much fear of retaliation because we know their capabilities as a nuclear threat.
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