• The Gun-Law Loophole That Entices Tycoons and Criminals to Play Cop
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-05-15/the-gun-law-loophole-that-entices-tycoons-and-criminals-to-play-c
exactly why reciprocity should be completely up to individual states.
I don't really see this as a loophole, much less a gun law loophole. If you are a cop or qualified volunteer you should be able to conceal carry across the nation. The real issue here are the department heads abusing these privileges and handing out the badges far too often. Like yeah it's totally a coincidence that the person who you gave a badge to also gave you a $50,000+ truck. Sounds like they need to introduce harsher penalties for those who abuse their appointed duties for personal gain.
If anything, reciprocity would lessen the impact of this because it would take what is a privilege for a select few and open it up to anyone who can get a CCL on their own.
It is a loophole because a law meant for police officers is being used by people who are not police officers.
*meant for police officers and volunteers which is fine, except for when the sheriff decides that anyone who gives him a cash gift is a volunteer
People who are not intended to benefit are misusing an aspect of the law to benefit, that is the definition of a loophole.
The law is meant for Police Officers and volunteers, volunteers of which include the unorganized militia or anyone who is doing citizen arrests. Christ, what a fucking mess that is too look into. I feel bad for the lawyers who gotta put up with this shit. It's like stepping into a minefield of legal nonsense and laws from the early 30's.
Except they are the people intended to benefit, the criteria are purposely small, they were deemed volunteers by the appointee. What's wrong isn't the law here, but the discretion of the person giving out the badges.
How could this possibly be considered to not be a loophole
Bodyguards and billionaires are not the intended people, not by a long shot.
What do you define as a loophole, just curious?
Dude, it's beyond a fucking loophole. Another thing worth noting is that Police Departments can purchase surplus supplies from the US Military. I'm not 100% on destructive devices, but some of the stuff I'm reading seems to imply that it's okay. So if you had a system in place, you could act as a store, police department, and manufacturer of weapons. You could sell "badges" which would in turn give people the right to own weapons from the US Military or newly built automatics. I'm not 100% on all of this yet, but holy shit. I'm unaware of any law that disallows police departments and their volunteers from purchasing their own equipment and keeping it at home. Nothing of the sort exists as far as I'm aware of.
why? there are states that do exactly this for their ccl's, as long as you have a pulse you're good to go, this is a clear example of how a nationally forced ccl reciprocity will allow the lowest standard to become the defacto standard.
Well personally my ideal solution would be a national system where every CCL carrier in every state has to meet certain standards. In my state you have to be a certain age, pass a background check, take a class, and demonstrate proficiency and safety. I think the problem with a federal system would be what would happen when the Democrats come into power legislatively. As it stands though I think it's somewhat ridiculous that someone can be a licensed and legal carrier in one state and cross the border to become a felon in another. I get the concerns of making "the lowest standard the defacto standard" as you said but the state of concealed carry laws in the US right now is a mess.
ya too bad your idea is not what the NRA is pushing. they want outright reciprocity without any national standards, and quite a few states have instituted reciprocity agreements with each other, agreements which if they feel the other state is taking advantage of, can be voided or adjusted. why should new york be forced to accept arizona's gun law law standards? Chicago has to deal with indiana's lax gun laws already and there's little they can do to stop the flow of guns because of it.
It doesn't bypass the Hughes amendment what so ever. Indevidual peace officers cannot procure NFA items for themselves. If it were that simple you'd see thousands of cops across America running around with personal MP5's. Post-86 NFA items must be procured at the department level. Indevidual peace officers can pick up said NFA items and have them in their possession on behalf of the department, but at the end of they day it is still property of the department.
This is not necessarily true, it's more of a lease from the US Military. The program is run and overseen by the Defense Logistics Agency: everything must have a stated purpose, (sort of easy to get around this by saying counter-terrorism or war on drugs, though), the department must have the resources to store and maintain it, and must be continuously logged so the DLA can track its use. Equipment that's not used is confiscated, equipment that is misused or goes missing gets everything confiscated and the department blacklisted. The infamous Maricopa County Sheriff's Office is one of the blacklisted departments, because they lost some assault rifles they were lent. So your scenario isn't feasible, people assume there are no restrictions, but there are several, and equipment is continuously tracked by the DLA, whom may confiscate it if it's not used properly.
It's happened before, apparently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6nQyuP0RU4
Well for one most towns small enough for you to do what you suggested dont have a police force. Secondly nobody is going to sell NFA items to a "volunteer" militia force. Lastly, the ATF has the ultimate say-so on the sale of NFA items, and theyre not going to process it to a militia force. Yea this is a bizarro land loophole, but its not something you can use to legally set up a militarized group. The ATF chooses which laws to enforce, and which ones to comply with. Elon Musks bodyguard can probably get a HK MP7, you cant.
What? how do you take people taking advantage of a CC law and stretch it to setting up their own surplus funded army? Surplus program for police usually involves APC's and armor, mostly limited to equipment that protects or transports. Police departments are not getting rocket launchers and full auto weapons. The only people who usually are allowed full-auto weapons in the police force are SWAT/SRT operators. Even then the only thing you to really stretch as surplus weapon is maybe a 40mm which is used for less lethal load outs and range deployment of distractionary device.
What the fuck, I didn’t think APB Reloaded was based on real life.
This isn't a loophole unless you consider all of bribery to be a loophole. If I bribe a DMV worker to ignore the fact that I didn't pass my vision test, that's not a loophole, that's just bribery.
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