• UN votes to send war crimes investigators to Gaza
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/05/votes-send-war-crimes-investigators-gaza-180518142752946.html Yea nothing is gonna be done, Israel will just ignore this
You see Israel is entirely justified and *adjusts glasses* every other country on earth (bar the USA god bless) is wrong and antisemetic
Nothing will happen because any attempt will just be vetoed by the US. If anything there will atleast be kept a record of whatever shit happened, even if nothing is done about it for now.
That's not just "The UN". That's the UN Human Rights Council, an organization that passes more resolutions against Israel than on the rest of the world combined.
Shit I wonder why
Does reading something like this ever make you consider the fact that the Israeli government really is the bad guys? As of 2018, Israel has been condemned in 78 resolutions by the Council since its creation in 2006—the Council has resolved more resolutions condemning Israel than the rest of the world combined.[107] By April 2007, the Council had passed eleven resolutions condemning Israel, the only country which it had specifically condemned The regime of Israel has, on average, been condemned by the United Nations Human Rights Council 6.5 times each year. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/132/b2ddf5b7-c84d-41bd-b832-191d780f9986/image.png
This isn't the UN security council where the US has a veto power. I'm just curious if Israel will actually let them into Gaza, or keep them out for "their own safety".
Have you happened to look at the countries that make up the human rights council? It's a big joke.
40,000 people rush the border, many of them armed, 60 people die with 50 being part of HAMAS. Surely this warrants an investigation, the UN is a fucking joke.
The only big joke here is anyone pretending I'm wrong on this specific point. You haven't brought up a counter-point, you're simply attacking the legitimacy of an organization that has the gumption to actually try and punish Israel for its atrocities committed against humanity. You're not denying any of their atrocities (ironically enough) in the slightest. https://i.imgur.com/go1Jfr9.png These are the countries that make up said council. Is it still a big joke to you, with Australia, the UK, USA, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland, Japan, South Korea, and so on signed on as members? Will it stop being a big joke if Israel signs on and stops punishing themselves? How brainwashed can someone be to just say "the human rights council is a joke! have you seen the countries involved??" and ignore the fact that the country in question is literally gunning down unarmed, peaceful protestors? hmm..
You got me at unarmed peaceful protesters, I was largely ignoring your posts in other threads but you're clearly a troll.
I'm a big fan of how you refused to respond to any particular point, rebut anything, or even challenge a single idea presented. Instead, you resort to calling me a troll and offer nothing of actual, conversational merit. I'm surprised you haven't called me an anti semite yet to be honest
If you want to point out some sort of corruption, you ought to specify rather than just vaguely imply it.
I don't need to call you an anti-Semite, the fact that you are one is obvious. I'm not going to engage in a meaningless debate with you, you were clearly shown evidence in other threads by other members of the people protesting at the border being anything but peaceful, you had no problem dismissing that and being purposely obtuse.
Regardless of your opinion on israel, I don't think that saudi arabia is in a position to be in a human rights council against any country, let alone lead one.
Can you point out where, specifically, he proved he's obviously an anti-Semite? I'm not trying to provoke you, this is a genuine question. All I've seen him do is criticize the actions of the government and point out that the UN's human rights council is a legitimate organization.
I'll let former UN secretary general Kofi Annan answer that: But, I am worried by its disproportionate focus on violations by Israel.  Not that Israel should be given a free pass.  Absolutely not.  But the Council should give the same attention to grave violations committed by other States as well. Or how about former UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon on this: The Secretary-General is disappointed at the Council’s decision to single out only one specific regional item, given the range and scope of allegations of human rights violations throughout the world. Not posting this for your benefit, by the way. Your tunnel vision is completely impervious to facts that contradict your world view. I'm posting this for sane people.
You're forgetting that in 2018, any and all criticism of the Israeli government's practices = 100% anti-semitism
If this shit happened in ANY other country, the deaths would be in the thousands, if anything we should be praised that there's so few deaths. They should setup an investigation into how awesome we are in minimizing civilian deaths. If burning tires and slinging rocks and throwing molotov cocktails is considered an unarmed peaceful protest, then you can just say that the IDF setup a peaceful counter-protest on the other side.
While true that KSA is probably the absolute worst example of a nation in on that, it doesn't exempt other nations that the Council investigates from their own abuses.
How do you know that if this happened in any other country, the deaths would be in the thousands? Pure speculation on your part, and a number you cannot possibly verify. Why should you be praised for killing innocent, unarmed protesters? This is borderline sociopathic, actually believing that you should be investigated for being so awesome at killing civilians.
Ah yes the horrible war crime of Israel defending itself from 'peaceful, molotov cocktail throwing knife wielding and rock slinging protestors' they just want peace that's all.
I'm only going to mildy humor you here: What danger is a knife or a rock from the other side of a fence, if you possess the most powerful, well funded, and technologically advanced military on the continent?
Please point to me any military on this planet that does treats threats to personnel differently depending on the weapon type, or in ratio of how powerful their weapons are to the attacker.
First you need to explain to me how is a knife and Molotov wielding protester considered peaceful
this is why i said i would only mildly humor the silly narrative the Israeli Regime wants pushed: that an angry horde of muslim palestinian animals descended on the israeli border, using children as human shields, and wielding knives, molotovs, and firearms to try and attack Israel and destroy it. don't even try to deny that it's the exact story, perhaps a little more blunt, that the Israeli Regime wants everyone to believe is what actually happened
Oh that’s golden youre not sane I’d you don’t disagree and disavow the fucking UN human rights tribunal god fucking forbid you look at your own actions
How simple and cartoonish must your view of Israeli domestic politics be if this is what you believe. This is what bothers me about every single discussion about Israel on the internet and outside of it, generally abroad. You'd assume people seeing this conflict due to the hyperfocus of the media would want to try and offer solutions to solve it, given that they are seemingly free of the regional biases, and educate themselves on what actually happens; but no, people still choose simple abstractions and strawmen and caricatures over engaging with the bloody, messy reality of things both on the ground and in public opinion, both facts and the feelings and beliefs which drive people here to create those facts. This sort of shit is why I try to avoid local news, because its the exact same depressive shit here. People don't care about solutions, they care about having simple narratives of blame and guilt, that others continue dying doesn't matter as long as they feel they're on the right side. I've fucking had it with people willingly feeding this Moloch which makes itself manifest as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, freely offering their children to a spectre of hatred and entitlement and justice and revenge. Yes, there are people who believe what you say, that this really is what happens, but the "Israeli Regime" isn't some monolithic entity, it is a bunch of conflicting vectors of personal interests and some vague conviction. People like you are (a thankfully small) part of the problem, in my view. The fact I cannot erode this certainty of people that they've truly grasped the terrible interconnected nature of this monster of a conflict pains me every single time I see this topic discussed anywhere. Sometimes I do ponder on the ease of just having a nuke dropped here and ending it all, this cycle of hatred and death - at least this pointless suffering will stop.
First you need to explain to me the forced poverty of the people of gaza, what options they have, and what response is valid to having snipers target you for weeks on end killing indiscriminately?
Again reading proves to be challenging to you. Where did I fucking say or even imply anyone should "see Israel as the victim, and incapable of doing wrong"? Please. Show me a single fucking quote to that effect. What I *am* actually saying is exactly what two UN secretary generals said: that the UNHRC focuses almost entirely on perceived human rights abuses by Israel while generally ignoring human rights violations by pretty much every other nation on Earth, and especially its own members such as China and Saudi Arabia. As bad as Israel is, both is the most recent crisis and in general, there are plenty of way waaaay worse ongoing abuses of human rights all over the world including right here in the Middle East. Like, you know, Syria that don't get nearly as many condemnations as Israel. But don't take my word on it. Do your own goddamn research. Prove me wrong. Or you can just rate me dumb again. That works too.
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