Squad was apparently shady before selling Kerbal to TT, something about low wages. Good that there's a review bomb going on.
The new EULA for Kerbal Space Program:
"By installing and using the Software, you consent to the information collection and usage terms set forth in this section and Licensor's Privacy Policy, including (where applicable) (i) the transfer of any personal information and other information to Licensor, its affiliates, vendors, and business partners, and to certain other third parties, such as governmental authorities, in the U.S. and other countries located outside Europe or your home country, including countries that may have lower standards of privacy protection; (ii) the public display of your data, such as identification of your user-created content or displaying your scores, ranking, achievements, and other gameplay data on websites and other platforms; (iii) the sharing of your gameplay data with hardware manufacturers, platform hosts, and Licensor's marketing partners; and (iv) other uses and disclosures of your personal information or other information as specified in the above-referenced Privacy Policy, as amended from time to time. If you do not want your information used or shared in this manner, then you should not use the Software."
and
"The information we collect may include personal information such as your first and/or last name, e-mail address, phone number, photo, mailing address, geolocation, or payment information. In addition, we may collect your age, gender, date of birth, zip code, hardware configuration, console ID, software products played, survey data, purchases, IP address and the systems you have played on. We may combine the information with your personal information and across other computers or devices that you may use."
Kerbal Space Program is spyware.
Nice.
Not really?
It seems like the eula is just granting them the right to track how people play the game and to collect scores.
That person seems to be overreacting in parts.
Not trying to defend T2 here, they are scum but a lot of policies have those.
Especially when linked to a company wide privacy policy as it is happened here, most parts of it probably aren't even applicable to KSP.
T2 has online shops and what not that require those things.
I understand your decision, but you should know that the EULA is the boilerplate take two EULA and does not actually reflect the practices of Squad.
We're currently discussing ways in which we can ensure people still have access to v1.3.1 without agreeing to the new EULA, but have not come to a decision yet.
Thats a reply from Squad.
In short, Im not saying its a good thing but it is very likely not the sudden "spyware" people call it where KSP now collects everything and T2 sells it.
This should be illegal, holy shit.
Good thing I never bought the game.
I don't know why people get so upset over this, Just block the application in your windows firewall settings if you're that paranoid about it
Almost everything you have installed on your PC right now is probably collecting info on you in some way as well
Oh okay then why don't we just go full cyberpunk and make all private information public domain?
What a stupid argument. "Big brother is probably collecting info on you right now so it's okay if Take Two does it as well!"
There's tons of security conscious people out there who take serious issue in the collection of their information.
Especially when companies like this are extracting all of your life information through this game.
You may not care about having all of your information reaped and sold but some of us do.
And your ridiculous "windows firewall settings" argument doesn't hold up either when you don't even know how they're collecting this information.
I'm just saying that if you don't want your personal information harvested then maybe you should just not use the internet at all
Wow way to take it to the logical extreme, what a great comeback!
If you're not cognizant enough to realize there's ways to securely browse the web without having all of your information sucked from your computer maybe you shouldn't be posting in a thread regarding information security in the first place?
The scary way to think about this is to think, "All games do this, the only way we're seeing this message is because some court somewhere told them they had to post this or there was a law passed somewhere telling them to declare this." The most important thing to teach kids now days is going to be just how carefull they have to be to control their privacy.
thats completely infeasible in this day and age and you know it. why is it so much to ask for the consumer to not have literally all their data harvested to be used for the sole financial benefit of the one doing the harvesting, however the hell they would go about it? they have literally 0 reason to be collecting any of that information at any point when a person just wants to play KSP. nor should anyone even trust such information with them, as it seems most companies are incapable of having good security, with what seems like 20 breaches a month. yeah great thanks for collecting my info and having that leak out to some random fuckwit, cant wait for them to do with it as they please, maybe even pretend to be me and use my identity!
the only real exception to this would be sending a crash log or something like that with hardware info for bug fixing, but even then most of the time the user has to consent to it.
What the fuck this is one of my favorite games. What do I do now?
Hey can I have your real name, street address and IP address? Everything else is apparently harvesting this information so it should be ok, right? After all, you shouldn't be using the internet if you don't want me to harvest it. I'm not gonna use it for anything, just put it in a folder. Trust me.
Basically, there are limits to what information of mine (and yours) should be going to who without my express consent. This kind of thing tends to feel very not cool and thus breach that feeling of "why are you doing this."
This has got to be illegal
It's a blanket EULA that covers all of their games, I believe. KSP didn't just suddenly become spyware. It's pretty disgusting though that they'd be THAT over reaching with their fucking VIDEO GAMES
Be a man, and play the damn game
the eula also bans mods because its a shitty generic copy paste eula from rockstar
They have about 3 days to make that EULA comply to GPDR, good luck TakeTwo or you'll be missing out on your European market
Cool, I guess there's no point in even playing the game then.
Seriously what the fuck. This EULA was NOT in place when I bought the game years ago. They can't just force this shit on me.
I feel like everyone's overlooking the detail of how do they expect to get all of that information?
Like someone else pointed out that has to be a boilerplate statement from an online store or something. Unless they're scanning your documents folder for word documents with addresses
I guess my point is if the game asks you for your information, thats when you have a problem. Don't type it in. Otherwise, does the game really have a way to collect all that information from you? (Besides IP, but that's always been collected for the diagnostic stuff in the game)
It seems we've misplaced the consumer rights somewhere behind the dustbin maybe we'll have found them after you buy more of our video games.
Huh why did this spark up again, the ksp community went over this months ago.
Just look at this:
"(i) the transfer of any personal information and other information to Licensor, its affiliates, vendors, and business partners, and to certain other third parties, such as governmental authorities, in the U.S. and other countries located outside Europe or your home country, including countries that may have lower standards of privacy protection;"
So this will be illegal in Europe (or the EU, rather, not necessarily all of Europe), and they kinda flat out admit that what they're doing is only applicable to countries with lower stands for privacy protection.
There have been some noted instances of firewall access, some DLL called RedShell. The KSP forums found out about this a couple months ago.
But I'm not aware what can be done. Is RedShell some sort of shitty DRM thing?
red shell appears to be one of those "turn players into payers" analytics company
Kinda expecting more from that list to be honest, nothing in there seems even remotely close to reacting by saying it should be illegal. The only one in there that is out of the scope of a games platform is your photo, but you'd pretty much have to consensually give them that anyway.
Yeah, they lost all my respect after they sold out to T-2, who have been doing awful things like this since the dawn of time. It's like willingly letting your company being bought by EA without a fight.
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Kerbal Space Program EULA grants TakeTwo permission to take personal information
