Information on the upcoming gmodstore alternative, crident store - General Discussion

If you currently use gmodstore or are planning on selling your addons in the future, stay away from Crident’s store. Recently the owner himself showed that he is actively supporting leakers and cheaters by advertising a pay-to-cheat’s website on their website. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/106884/abbcad91-5e4a-48a2-806a-d95295a8b789/image.png The owner, drizzy, also known as SnowBoi (who was previously banned from facepunch for being a cheater and causing mayhem) was in SecureGMod discord and posted this: https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/106884/680d94b1-412f-47f0-8cc6-cdc21589a357/image.png The owners of this cheat are also hosting the currently biggest leak site for Garry’s Mod, which happens to be giving away money to people who are leaking addons. After confrontation, this is his response: https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/106884/0bc712cc-64dc-4846-a1ac-69644ee3be66/image.png He’s actively trying to antagonize his future competition in a completely unprofessional way and actually making it harder for both of their (potential) users. It’s best to stay away from him and all his future endeavors if you care about your code being given away freely. I'd also be surprised if he didn't handle his server business this same exact way. From their own post: We can only look to demonstrate we’re reliable through time, and let people decide themselves.

That's a curious combo. Hosting servers for Garry's Mod communities and endorsing the hacks people will use on those very servers. Sounds like two pies I wouldn't want my hands in at the same time if I wanted to keep business.

I agree with what you've said in it's entirety - but in the future when posting stuff of a similar nature you need to consider something. Marketing 101 ===> All publicity is good publicity. This couldn't be more true in the Garry's Mod community, it's so toxic negative connotation means NOTHING anymore. By talking about it you're just allowing it to gain more traction, Gmodstore did a poor job of this aswell, they should have simply silently phased out all involved parties when talk of a new store (or the other shit you've mentioned) begun. A public appeal like this will do nothing but gain their projects publicity. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/564/eb075181-0cc0-48db-b465-0ca0f2c9a80c/VNHMU.png Hopefully that screenshot is enough to deter people from continuing to do exactly what he wants them to do lmao.

While that is true, I believe that it will all eventually catch up to him in the end. It may work for a little while but he can only make so many enemies until he has no friends left. If this is what he calls good marketing then I'm happy that I'm "lacking in marketing" according to him.

They are generating bad publicity to a community that will fuel their business. It's not like they can make money or do anything with the store if no one is selling on it in the first place.

You're missing the point entirely. Their store is just to generate publicity for their hosting company itself, no one has to sell anything on the store for it to do it's job. You'll see. Yeah it will catch up to him in the end - but that doesn't really provide a reason to just add to the traction, does it? It'll take some time for people to actually realise what's going on and how it's working but they will. The bottom line is, is that everything is interconnected - at the bottom of it there is a root project that everything else feeds into and generates publicity for, it's an undeniable fact when you can actually understand it. It's a pretty simple concept and it's used literally everywhere. I'm going to leave it at that because otherwise I'm just doing exactly the same thing I originally criticised Meep for in my first reply.

i think you're/they're vastly overestimating how much money they are going to make for having bad publicity in this tiny community

To help discourage leaking we're aiming to offer a securegmod-type service free with the marketplace. The marketplace will have no commissions or subscription fee's to sell on. I say this because my point is that we're not looking to make money from this marketplace. We don't need people to sell on the marketplace for it to be a success, but if some people find it useful (which they would) then that's great news.

And to help encourage leaking, you are going to keep supporting the leakers, got it.

The only person talking about leak sites are gmodstore & you. At no point other than defence have we mentioned leaks or leaking on our site, or in any of our platforms.

Then why does supporting citizenhack trigger gmodstore and their users?

Because people like you frame the situation as if we're directly supporting a leak site

Could you care to explain this statement you gave earlier then? https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/106884/bf008faf-787e-42ae-99a0-0875cfd100b1/image.png Of course no one is paying money directly to either party, but you are also giving codes to encourage others to spend money on each other's sites. You gave special treatment to this specific person just because it would "trigger" your competition.

Yes, a large part of our CitizenHack thing is to cause drama - as Havasu said, it's an incredibly effective marketing technique, and we've used it for years. I know you might not like it, but you're not the target demographic. There was no special treatment - we also never gave them a discount code. They took advantage of our open, public affiliate system where you can generate your own coupons.

A large part of citizenhack is to also advertise their own leaking competition on their site, so you are directly supporting the people who are encouraging people to destroy people's jobs and livelihoods. It was definitely special treatment, if you would read the quote I posted you saying.

I think this is an over exaggeration. Using this logic, you can argue gmodstore are providing financial support to CloudFlare, and some arm of CF protected isis sites makes that unacceptable, etc. We're not supporting leaking. We plan to offer a free DRM service that's effectively the same as securegmod is right now. We're probably the ones doing the most to actually stop leaking without trying to make money from it.

That logic has nothing to do with you giving special treatment to financially help and benefit from a leaking group that is actively hurting people's income source. You are definitely supporting leaking by giving this group of leakers a special spot on your own website's homepage as well as a coupon to some of their software which actually goes against the TOS of the game you are selling servers for. You offering a DRM like one of that you yourself have called not "user friendly" doesn't change the fact that you are encouraging people to leak scripts that don't have DRM currently.

If you want to believe we're supporting leakers that bad, then I guess I can't change that. It's really a stretch to get to the conclusion that we're giving them special treatment, but I guess you get to define that for yourself. I'm just telling you from our end, there is no special treatment, it's just taking advantage of opportunity. It's just like when we gave you a free server to test on. That's not because we're giving you special treatment, we're just taking advantage of our options. Hopefully we'll be able to improve the UX issues with DRM, but as you know it's not an easy one to fix.

So you allowing a friend who leaks scripts from your competitor and breaks TOS of the games you sell servers for to have a full banner on your site just to trigger your whole target demographic is not special treatment? I don't see how it's a stretch at all given the fact I posted the screenshots I have already, but I will post them again if you would like to actually read them for yourself. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/106884/88c6b4d7-c295-4ae7-bd5e-0bf7bc18cef0/image.png https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/106884/49c90b85-cef5-4734-9fc4-321e164af82c/image.png

Our target demographic actually likes the fact we've got influence over what they see as the largest threat to their community. You aren't our target demographic, our target demographic are people who pay for servers.

Actually, according to you, your reason to put that banner on your website was to trigger gmodstore and their users.

And on your right if you look, you'll see a morally devoid profit-obsessed conman. And on the left, you'll see and hear a scratchy, broken record on an old phonograph. I'm no moderator, and I don't know what the staff's view on backseat moderating is, but this is just silly. You two are just saying the same shit back to each other over and over, not really contributing any Information on the upcoming gmodstore alternative, crident store. Does everyone really need to see all of this? I'm honestly interested in knowing about this Crident Store, but oh boy does this thread not show anything.

Moat spreads lies about me & Crident, so I shared an idea I had on how he's detecting the cheat. It was just a shot in the dark, and I probably would have kept my mouth shut if it was anyone else.

The only reason I keep repeating what I said is because he likes to move the conversation away from anything that hurts his reputation or his websites. If he would actually respond to any of the concerns on this thread properly I would have to keep repeating the stuff I am. I'm done for the night since all he likes to do is throw blame around to random people and throw out ad hominems in post edits while completely ignoring the concerns I have.

I for one am really interested in the thought processes you used when stirring drama over anycast networks, when this is plastered on your website: https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/106884/abbcad91-5e4a-48a2-806a-d95295a8b789/image.png I find it almost disgusting that you were once trying to play holier than thou on these very forums, and now are openly endorsing a hack, a hacking group, and by association the leaks that they acquire and redistribute. You sell servers to people and advertise a hack that people will use on those servers. And to say here that part of your shtick is causing drama for monetary gain, it's despicable.

After a talk with Meep & code_gs in Discord I've decided it be best we remove the banner from our site. Originally the leak site was only linked from one page - and we never thought it would gain this much traction. We'll double down on our DRM efforts in an attempt to compensate.

At this point you have to be stupid or blind if you still don't understand codefodder is the leak "division" of citizenhack so i will not waste my time trying to prove it. Do your own researches. Pretending cridentstore is not trying to compete with gmodstore doesn't makes it true by magic, they plan to sell gmod addons with zero additional fees for the sellers, which btw forces the seller not just to pay taxes like with gmodstore but also to pay VAT. More paperwork. I'm not going to pretend there is no reasons behind it, the 10% cut is annoying, the gmodstore administration team had been making shit decisions in the last months/year, and I'm talking about gmodstore-forum related bans that made people leaving the store. If it was just only about making a store without additional fees it would have been okay, but it's not just about that. It's not the first time drizzy is acting like a dick, now he decided to literally support a "company" -or call it "a bunch of guys", i don't care- that leaks gmodstore addons, break the laws and i'm pretty sure the cheat itself is illegal. We could also guess there was a secret deal between then, or an implicit one, "Don't leak addons from my store" but at this point that's just guessing. Are you really going to trust this guy with your addons ? With your server ? After all the shitty things he did ?

I am baffled by the words coming out of these people. I'd say mouth, but that doesn't really work. I believe drizzy deserves credit where due. More importantly, I believe that what he is doing, shouldn't concern gmodstore, any of you triggered SJWs, and I find it funny how you assume that Drizzy is condoning cheating and leaking because of friendly childplay with Roj. Drizzy is a well trusted guy, the success for cridentstore is unforseen, but I wish him the best of luck. Get off his back, and stop riding Matts dick. (not directed to matt, ily)

dont trust matt he is derptrolling

I redact my statement.