• Monogamy, explained (Vox and Netflix's Explained)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCGyLjBjuGI Vox and Netfilx are teaming up to make new adaption version of Vox's explained YouTube videos.
It's pretty interesting. I'm not too sure about polyamorous relationships myself, but I'm sure the Vox decriers are going to be spamming this soon enough about the left and cuckoldry.
Of all the things they could have covered, why monogamy?
Is this video incredibly quiet for some reason?
I really enjoyed this. It was both charming and informative. I sometimes struggle with Vox's content, but their non-political stuff is absolutely great and I shall definitely be watching this series more.
actually there are psychological benefits to having a monogamous relationship, including raising children within that relationship which the video ignores. It's been awhile from reading psychology literature but the video doesn't present those facts. It's a propaganda piece, which twits information and maybe I could sit down and present the counter argument if I have the time and show it to be that.
I think the point that one guy makes near the end that monogamy is like veganism is entirely spot on though.
Hmm I think there are more examples of natural monogamy than that wacky tapeworm one. I get that they want to shine a positive light on an unnecessarily ill perceived type of relationship, but there's too much cherry picking.
I would disagree, it's more like drugs. You can get addicted to sex or lack attachment and even if you are responsible with the metaphorical cocaine it can still hurt you in the end. With Monogamy it has a great advantage of being safer/simpler while polygamy is a double edge sword and I've talked a polygamous friend about it before we fucked. The subject matter I recall was about her previously having sex with two women the other night and regretting having them over because the couple were having a bad argument, the meticulous precautions of safe sex, and balancing your double life were your kids don't know.
Monogamy's a hot topic in academia right now, actually. It's not a propaganda piece, lmao. Relationships are failing more than ever and a lot of people are really really unhappy.
It's a propaganda piece, the title of the video is not the subject matter which is more focused on polygamy.
It kind of actually explained what scholars believe monogamy is, as well as a brief history of monogamy as well as biological and historical justification for their subversion of the normal beliefs on the issue. Why do you think something that disagrees with your opinion is propaganda? Why do you think these companies would be spreading propaganda? What purpose would it serve? If you think it's propaganda, who do you think's funding the propaganda?
From my understand we as hominids developed "monogomy" only in recent years. In evolutionary/anthropology terms, we are not a truly polygamous species (especially not our ancestors). Monogamy is a relativly new concept for us in the terms of our evolution. Monogamy in its truest form is actually rarely seen by mammals and seen by some species of birds and some primates. Essentially, monogamy/polygamy develops from the demand of the environment/grouping. Monogamy developed because we as hominids have such a long pregnancy/child raising period in comparison to other animals in theory. It was developed because it was better to invest and divide the workload. Look at old hunter gatherer societies and cultures as a referential model. Early hominids such as Homo Heidelbergensis(Rhodensius) were some of our first ancestors to show signs of monogamy, which was interestingly enough also the generation which we began to see the earliest signs of hearths and encampments.
I generally don't like to delve into my personal life to strangers but, Fuck polygamy. When I was a teenager, for a time my parents were in a open "polygamous relationship". For us kids it was completely humiliating and uncomfortable: I still remember the dinners where my mum would bring her boyfriend along, and the look on my dads face when he was cooking dinner alone those nights, probably the saddest I'd ever seen him. Or having to meet my dads girlfriend and act like it was normal. Or having my mates realise who exactly was this weird guy that was always hanging around my mum. Or the countless amounts of fights mum and dad had that clearly stemmed from the stress they put on themselves due to their unconventional relationship. Eventually they came to the same conclusion I did from observing all this, humans are possessive creatures in all regards: polygamy does not work. And things went back to "normal", but the experience had a profound effect on me, I lost a lot of respect for my parents. My dad in particular, I can acknowledge that a lot of it comes from my mates and the society I grew up with. But the idea that my own dad would willingly let another man sleep in his own bed with his own wife disgusted me. And I didn't want to be anything like him, and as I grew up and started dating and having relationships of my own I was looking back on it, very possessive. It took a long time for me to regain the respect I lost for my parents due to all that to be honest. And although we've moved on now and I respect and admire my parents for the other things they achieved in their life. I can confidently say for me and my siblings: Their relationship and their openness about it was nothing but damaging to our family.
polygamy = marriage to multiple spouses polyamory = multiple unmarried partners Also, I'm very sorry you had to go through all that stress, but your parents experience does not mean polyamory or polygamy inherently don't work, it didn't work for them. it's unfortunate but not every experiment in a relationship ends up with a good result. it takes a specific kind of person to be able to handle a relationship like that, and it also takes extreme honesty and fully open communication, as well as the ability to compromise and forgive. jealousy especially is a toxic poison, but it can be learned away. from what you describe your parent's experience, it seems either one or both of them wasn't ever really into the idea in the first place and it didn't come to light until it was too late. they made mistakes, misjudgements, didn't fully set ground rules, or simply, they thought they could handle it but they couldn't. i wouldn't really let an experience like that cloud your view of them too much though. people fuck up but that's not necessarily a reflection of character.
Thanks for the clarification on spelling. Although I personally don't believe polyamory doesn't work for the people in the relationship, but that can be argued about by people smarter than me. My point boiled down is when you add your own children to the mix and the family dynamic it is nothing but damaging.
My parents had a dysfunctional monogamy which left a bad mark on me too but I wouldn't hold it against monogamies as whole. My sympathies to you however, it sucks either way. I wouldn't call it so simple. Obviously a dysfunctional family structure is going to be damaging, but we regularly see nonstandard ones that don't turn out so bad. Some people get perfectly fine along with close relatives gained from new marriages, and in theory I'd see that polyamory has potential for even healthier in-law relationships as they don't have to come with the mess that is a divorce or a breakup.
What a load of shit. Monogamy is not an artificial construct you can see it in nature and there's way more reasons why human men are larger then human females other then because of fucking. 1 in 3 people see a polt relationship as their ideal relationship? What? Of course everyone wants more sexual partners so they'd say that it's literally one of the most generic fetishes. This video is a load of shit the only people I've seen in a poly relationship have tons of mental issues or go through a ton of drama in said relationships. Why would monogamy be artificial if jealousy exists?
regardless of the plus or minuses of either, I think the point that the dude was making is that they're both constructs of society, not something that inherently exists. like nobody is born vegan.
I'm polyamorus and have been pretty darn happy with the same people for the last 8 or so years.
There's a lack of modern and particularly high-quality research when trying to compare these types of situations for raising kids. Honestly, I think the community-oriented child rearing method is likely one of the most effective and healthy ways kids can be raised, instead of in this very strict two parent method like in western countries. You can see this even in western countries, often wealthy individuals historically were raised by their caretakers (such as Handmaidens), and generally speaking those people turned out no worse for wear.
The Cultural Marxist Jews of course who want to bring about the downfall and foundations of Western society
I've never been interested in marriage, and I think in general I've always seen myself as a polyamorous person. With so many people in the world, it doesn't seem right to me that I'd force both myself and my partner into being only with each other, when there are potentially hundreds if not thousands/tens of thousands of people you could be extremely well compatible with as well. Though I do understand that there's a risk of losing interest in one partner if you start spending too much time with others, which is why a lot of people aren't into the idea.
Are you really going with the "all the X people I know are this way, so therefore all X people in the world must be this way" argument? Also are you suggesting that monogamous relationships never have a ton of drama?
I find it hard to conceptualize being truly intimate with more than one person at a time. It's hard to articulate exactly what I'm getting at, but two people on I having to spend that facet of thier emotions on one other person much, much easier to balo.
Yea, it's much louder on Netflix.
There are unhealthy ways to be polyamorous just as there are unhealthy ways to be monogamous. Some of the problems are unique to each, some overlap. Ultimately polyamory is more difficult just by the simple fact that more people are involved, but it can also be more rewarding. It's just an alternate way of going about things, not necessarily better or worse.
I've often heard it compared to having multiple friends - eg, you don't normally have just one friend that asks you to only hang out with them, you have a variety of friends each with their own qualities and personality, each of who you like for one reason or another. You can balance your love for your mother and father, your sister and brother, between all your friends, and some people (imo most people) are capable of feeling romantic love for more than one person. You're right that it's harder because it inherently requires a more open mindset as well as the capability to not keep your emotions and feelings to yourself, and balancing multiple partners is a challenge that's harder for some and easier for others. The key to nonmonogamy really is for everyone involved to be on the same page, emotionally as well as in terms of relationship goals. it simply wont work if you dont have the right demeanor for it
Heh, if it works for you, more power to you. I just thought I'd give a case for why some more people would prefer monogamy from a perspective not based in tradition or morality.
That special place in your heart isn't so special when there's five other people bunking there
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