Judge proposes blunting knives to reduce knife crime.
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A judge has proposed a nationwide programme to file down the points of kitchen knives as a solution to the country’s soaring knife crime epidemic.
Last week in his valedictory address, retiring Luton Crown Court Judge Nic Madge spoke of his concern that carrying a knife had become routine in some circles and called on the Government to ban the sale of large pointed kitchen knives.
It's like a meme-level parody of the UK.
He said laws designed to reduce the availability of weapons to young would-be offenders had had “almost no effect”, since the vast majority had merely taken knives from a cutlery drawer.
At least he got that one right.
As a result - said the judge - the most common knife a youth will take out is eight to ten inches, long and pointed, from his mother's cutlery tray.
He asked: “But why we do need eight-inch or ten-inch kitchen knives with points?
“Butchers and fishmongers do, but how often, if at all, does a domestic chef use the point of an eight-inch or ten-inch knife? Rarely, if at all."
I almost want to check if I've got my dates seriously wrong and it's actually April.
So, he said: “I would urge all those with any role in relation to knives - manufacturers, shops, the police, local authorities, the government - to consider preventing the sale of long pointed knives, except in rare, defined, circumstances, and replacing such knives with rounded ends.
"It might even be that the police could organise a programme whereby the owners of kitchen knives, which have been properly and lawfully bought for culinary purposes, could be taken somewhere to be modified, with the points being ground down into rounded ends," he said.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/27/knives-sharp-filing-solution-soaring-violent-crime-judge-says/
This is so moronic.
TBH removing the points from 10 inch knives will just lead to slashing attacks not stabbing ones.
Inb4 they just repoint their knives because it isn't that hard to grind shit off.
Or just make stab proof vests the hottest fashion item of the year and tada!
Or people using screw drivers to stab eachother.
Focusing on the weapons doesn't work. WHY are knife attacks a problem? It's not because people have knives.
Aha, but then what if we ban any sort of cutting edge whatsoever? Didn't think of that one, did you!
"Cricket Bat Sales On The Rise, As Well As Blunt Weapon Attacks"
This exactly. It already happens so while something loony like blunting knives might lower specifically knife crime it won't help reduce stabbings. Gotta tackle the root issues
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/1612/fc1aa42d-bba9-45aa-be1b-3901299fa024/image.png
Would expect something like this from the UK government if this happened...
Post-truth is hard man
“Butchers and fishmongers do, but how often, if at all, does a domestic chef use the point of an eight-inch or ten-inch knife? Rarely, if at all."
I dunno, maybe anyone else dealing with meat or fish or even vegetables you dundering idiot.
need a 10 inch knife license
let's take one of the kitchen knives that often have rounded tips to start with - bread knives:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61F7IUN2AyS._SY450_.jpg
is he saying you can't kill someone with this implement?
Yeah you guys are right. I bet if we continue cutting funding to youth clubs, schools and then defund the FAILING NHS and continue strangling what remains of public transport, we'll solve the issue of knife crime.
When I was 15, I went to buy some butter knives for my grandma as a birthday present and, I swear I'm not making this up - they asked me for ID to buy them. I mean, they're fucking BUTTER KNIVES. The worst damage one could do to another human with one of those is spread honey on them and wait for an opportunistic bear to savage them, which seems fucking unlikely in the UK.
I know that all of you obviously understand all of this stuff, but I'd like to REALLY hammer in just how unbelievably dumb this is.
A. A "small" knife can still be fatal. If you can get to the neck you can get a pretty nasty cut.
B. Even if a knife is beyond rusted it can be restored to professional quality.
https://youtu.be/3XW-XdDe6j0
C. You can make a knife out of literally anything. Even prisoners can make knives that can kill using just toothpicks, and this is in prison with nearly no resources at all. Imagine what literally anyone with half a brain and a grinder could do.
https://youtu.be/KEoIIdZbXSM
https://youtu.be/Br_BC4ff7iU
https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/10175.jpg?quality=65
D. Knives are impossibly effective at being concealed in literally everything and anything, yes, even a belt buckle. Imagine how easily someone could hide about 20 knives on them, all hand made, all non-metallic and therefore invisible.
https://youtu.be/Tf8WP5CyCyE
E. If someone wants to go on a murder spree, there's literally nothing stopping from from using a grinder and a file and making a knife from nothing. It doesn't even have to be a stick, your neighbor pissing you off? Take a hammer and bash his skull in.
Exactly. I'm sure that even a razor blade could be an incredibly effective deterrent for chavs roaming the streets. Whilst it would be a bit harder to kill somebody with one, you could certainly slice their carotid artery fairly easily using one. Are we to blunt razor blades too? We're all going to look like we're auditioning for a role in a film about prehistoric troglodytes.
Looks like its time to ban all razor blades too
You could take razor blades, 4 inch ones, and just weld them, hell even glue them, onto a bit of metal, and boom, you have a very long razor sharp sword, I bet you could slice at least three men in half with that!
Well, you could at least slice one of them in half. Perhaps it could be a very macabre remake of two and a half men?
https://youtu.be/MYwd0Wus5Ik
Fuck off. Fuck off you incompetent authoritarian fucks. Jesus fucking christ. fuck.
That's all well and good, and I'm not disagreeing with you, but it doesn't really seem related to the point of filing down the points on knives. Obviously, you can still cut with the knife, you don't need to make one out of a razor.
Why do they always focus on the weapon and not the actual event?
The point is super useful in cooking, I use it daily for almost everything. There are 'stab-proof' knives made, looking like this
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--Ad01B6jg--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/18mlizb3eo2vljpg.jpg
Which retain a point but can't really be used for stabbing, and I suppose that could be a solution if kitchen-knives were the problem at all. Which they aren't.
Because fixing the underlying problems leading to violent crimes take an awful lot more thought, effort, time, and perhaps most importantly of all, money to fix
Why bother taking a deep look at things like the underlying socioeconomic and subsequent cultural circumstances in a disadvantaged neighorhood and figure out long term, nuanced solutions focusing on real factors that contribute to high rates of violence and crime when you could just vomit out a quick and easy ban on X Y Z and pat yourself on the back for fixing crimes forever for nice and cheap
Because funding increased police after slashing their numbers would look bad politically, one imagines. Why address the source of the issue when you can get Amber Rudd to blame it all on social media or blame immigrants?
In some cases focusing on the weapon works, but I'll leave it at that.
X Y Z dangerous thing used in violent crimes being legal or illegal is about the smallest humanly possible contributing factor to any violence problem in any given nation and trying to tackle crime problems by focusing on the implement is like trying to treat a severed artery by just mopping up the blood
Violent neighborhoods aren't just violent for the fuck of it and they're sure as fuck not violent just because Susan has some knives in her drawer that little Johnny found. People don't just up and decide to start being violent on a whim one day after a lifetime of being otherwise ordinary productive citizens. Young Johnny Chav wasn't just merrily chugging along as a happy and productive member of society and then just one day decided he should go and stab that cunt Terry for being a cunt because that'd be good for a laugh, young Johnny Chav got that way from a whole lifetime lived in a certain set of circumstances that taught him to be violent
Maybe it had to do with living in poverty and having minimal prospects and having a shitty father, or no father, and being surrounded by other violent influences that have been living this way for years until violence has just become part of the status quo. Socioeconomic and cultural factors have a shit of a lot more to do with people committing violent crime than there just being implements for violent crime available
You're entirely right when it comes to knife and acid crime and i agree completely.
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